Tuesday Open Forum – January 4, 2011

Lots of stuff going on everywhere.

Today is the last day of the 111th congress.

The 112th starts tomorrow.

What’s on your mind today?

156 Responses to Tuesday Open Forum – January 4, 2011

  1. Menagerie says:

    Good Riddance 111! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. 112th – take heed our warnings. Or else. I believe we have shown you and your deposed Queen Nancy that we will not be governed by a few moonbats who “did too much lds in the sixies” to reference James T. Kirk’s slightly off quote.

  2. AFinch says:

    Good morning Sundance. Thanks for keeping us all focused on the job at hand.

  3. yomotley says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

    Had a great day yesterday. We played “undocumented worker” while we were out and about the city. The rules to the game are simple. Carry a wad of cash and take up time in line paying for large ring-ups in all five and tens that still have the bank band around the $100 packets. Now, if we could just get paid in cash from the employer!

    Observation playing the game. Profiled “undocumented worker” gets barter deals for paying cash on big ticket items. When the nice white couple mentions paying cash, no bartering, and managers hold firm to price of items (in this case, furniture). When we use the “undocumented worker” term, “This is all cash we had”, we are told we could open a store charge.

    No thank you. And the manager would not budge and was real smarmy, almost borderline snarky to us. We walked out. This happened the last time we did this two years ago. In this economy with an almost empty store, there is no bartering for the American, which seems a%$ backward. We are familiar with mark up and costs and know the window the store has to move prices down. We do our homework. Profiling has proven some things. 1). Mexicans, almost always won’t finance and 2). White Average Americans will usually be manipulated to finance because they will have to have what they like the “bestest” and is just out of their reach. So,

    We continue to sit in folding chairs and dilapidated furniture. No biggie. Something or someone always comes up that needs the money instead and we will sigh and be thankful the furniture stores were jerky and are now able to meet the arisen need.

    Got news for the retailers: Americans are waking up to realizing the financing of everything from cars to furniture to electronics to toilet paper is the attitude that has gotten this country into such a mess! It is time for retailers to wake up that they need to start pushing the product and not the financing since the latter is rapidly a thing of the past. To continue making the financing a major part of their profit margin is undermining their ability to exist.

    It was empowering to see the manager’s jaw drop and the perplexing look on his face when it became evident we were not going to buy. The funniest moment was when DH asked if we would get the pieces on the floor or from a warehouse. The manager says confidently, “Oh, the warehouse. You will get all brand new pieces. We have plenty in stock.” DH responds in a delivery tone and gestures unique to him, “Lower your price and you would have a lot less in that warehouse.”

    Give the game “Undocumented Worker” a try. The goal is to see how long you can go without using a check or debit card, making all your purchases “undocumented”. Don’t get tripped up giving your zip code or phone number t the register when sale in ringing up, or else you have to go back to “start”. Same goes for returns. Don’t give identification to return an item and don’t give real info or signature when asked to fill out form to return an item. You may have to act like you “no read” to get by this step. If you leave a trial in the return process – go back to “start” and start the game over. Oh, and you must get your cash in little “bundles”. The wallet must be jammed packed and barely can close. If you do not have enough cash to do this, buy a smaller wallet. It is all in the effect!

    Happy Day!

    Have fun.

    • butchcracker says:


    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Sounds fun!

    • NeeNee says:

      Our invader-laden town of 12,000 is at least 70% illegal

      (8,4000). Around here, every merchant can tell you tales

      of a wallet-full of IDs—all of them with different names.

      They hold them up like a bridge hand, and pick one.

      Yes, cash is king. But I think they also have the credit card

      option figured out. I see lots & lots of “illegal-country-of origin”

      names in the courthouse news for credit card default (most to the

      tune of $2,000-3,000, some higher). This way they don’t

      use up their cash, get new furniture for nothing and stick it

      to the Gringos.

      One store owner told me he did have a few who opened charge

      accounts and defaulted. Because he’s not bi-lingual it was

      quite difficult to contact them. So one day a very fluent,

      respectable-looking “invader” came in and he mentioned this.

      She offered to help. So he prepared a list of past due accounts

      and paid her to go around notifying all of them. Several weeks later,

      when he sent out bills again, one man who did speak English

      came in to say that he had already paid. “I pay lady who work

      for you,” he told my friend. ??!!! Come to find out, this chick

      cleverly pocketed the money owed and never gave it to the


      Actually, several of my friends own furniture stores and their major

      complaint has nothing to do with payment terms. It’s the

      destruction of their floor merchandise by the 4-6 little

      children who accompany their parents. Things break, muddy

      unwiped feet track all over the floors & smudged on furniture,

      small knick-knacks come up missing, etal. He’s already seen

      little ones wiping their noses on expensive sofas!

      Motley, I commend you for your adventure, tactics and backbone!

  4. JRD says:

    Mascot Politics

    By Thomas Sowell


    A hundred years ago, groups who are now indulged as mascots were targets and scapegoats of Progressive era elites, treated like dirt and targeted for eradication in the name of “eugenics.”

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      This reminds me of a quote by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg about a year or so ago in (I believe) the NY Times:

      “Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. “

  5. JRD says:

    Congress Rediscovers the Constitution

    The House Republican majority has said it will require members to cite the specific authority for any bill they introduce.


    The first question the new Congress should ask of any proposed law is: Does the Constitution authorize us to pursue this end? If not, that ends the matter. If yes, the second question is: Are the means we employ “necessary and proper,” as constrained by the principles of federalism and the rights retained by the people that are implied by a government of enumerated powers? In essence, the Constitution is no more complicated than that. It was written to be understood by ordinary citizens.

    First, the 112th Congress will have to keep the debate focused on the Constitution, not simply on policy or practicality.

    Second, they’ll have to reject without embarrassment the facile liberal objection that the courts have sanctioned what we have today, and thus all a member need do when introducing a bill is check the box that says “Commerce Clause,” “General Welfare Clause” or “Necessary and Proper Clause.”

    Third, Congress has to start taking greater responsibility. Congress must acknowledge honestly that it has not kept faith with the limits the Constitution imposes. It should then stop delegating its legislative powers to executive agencies. Congress should either vote on the sea of regulations the executive branch is promulgating or, far better, rescind or defund those regulations, policies and programs that never should have been promulgated in the first place (rescission may not be possible during the next two years, but defunding is). And of course Congress should undertake no new policies not authorized by the Constitution.

    • JRD says:

      Rules for Smaller Government

      The House GOP is making it harder to tax and spend.


      From now on, increases in mandatory spending—for new or existing entitlements—will require that spending be cut by an equal or greater amount elsewhere in the budget.

      Another new rule will make it harder to hide deficit spending by gaming the so-called budget window. The cost of spending bills are scored over periods of one, five and 10 years, and Democrats have routinely disguised the true cost of such bills by pushing the spending into the “out years” beyond a decade. Famously, they also counted 10 years of revenue but only six years of spending to make ObamaCare appear to cut the deficit.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Another silly wrinkle occurs to me. Since they are supposed to represent We The People, this question ought to be reviewed as well: Do the people we represent want this done?

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        I like the way you think, emma. How would they know, though? Polls can be manipulated by people with biases and agendas, etc.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          You have a legitimate question and in my answer, I’m not intending to brush it away or be smart-alecky. But I think there’s a pony somewhere in the manure of my answer: I am what is mocked as a fundamentalist Bible-believing Christian. There are hundreds of millions of us around the world. Because I am one of them, I don’t have to take a poll. And neither do I walk in lockstep on every point. But I don’t have to take a poll in order to “represent them.”

          Polls are useful only to those who are waiting for someone to tell them what to think. Michelle Bachmann doesn’t need to poll to know what I think~~why is that? Shoot, Mr. West from Florida represents me and I haven’t had dinner at his house for ages. Representation is not a result of polling. (I have the icky feeling that I’m asserting things here which I’m not expressing very well….sorry)

  6. yomotley says:

    I have seen this video several times. In fact, it was posted inside the “MegaBarf” post and this time when I watched it (to share with daughter), I found myself wondering, “Where is this guy’s accent from? It is not any “dialect” from the US that I have heard…..”

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      motley, IDK. His bio at Wikipedia says that he was born and raised in D.C., attended college in Georgia, attended law school in Houston, then practiced law in Georgia for over 25 years, etc. I think his accent mainly comes from D.C. where he grew up, but people there tend to talk faster than he does. Maybe he slowed his speech down a bit after living in the South for so long but never picked up a Southern accent.

  7. JRD says:

    Labor’s Coming Class War

    Private-sector union workers begin to notice that their job prospects are at risk from public-employee union contracts.


    This is why I believe Sarah can win. These private sector “blue collar” union members are the “Reagan Democrats.”

    Blue-collar union workers are beginning to appreciate that the generous pensions and health benefits going to their counterparts in state and local government are coming out of their pockets. They are beginning to understand the dysfunctional relationship between collective bargaining for government employees and their own job prospects.

    • yomotley says:

      JRD. You are on a roll this morning . . . hitting nail on the head each time you speak!

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Frankly, I don’t even understand why government workers are unionized at all. It’s not like they’re “oppressed” by their employer.

      • ZMalfoy says:

        Thankfully, not all of us are. I never understood it either– it seemed almost self-contradictory, in some way.

        I’ve always considered, however, that I’ll never see a dime of my “pension”– from the beginning, I’ve told people that I’d never retire, since I’ll never see any of that money again. I’ve always known they’d have to go, so I’ve basically ignored those lines on my LES. I don’t know what idiot decided that gov’t employees could unionize, but that messed up the system, and now I have to emplain to people that yeah, I work for the Fed. Gov’t, but I’m not one of those people.

        I hope this all gets corrected– getting this country fixed and hale again is far more important than my paycheck.

        • Patriot Dreamer says:

          Which department do you work for (if you don’t mind sharing)? If you’d rather not say, I understand.

          • ZMalfoy says:

            Department of Defense, Army Civilian. One of the very few places in gov’t where I can sleep at night, and wake up not wanting to hang myself for selling my eternal soul.

            Umm, lessee, I work with the R&D folk. My job, actually, is to help engineers and scientists navigate buying anything over 3K– there’s literally thousands of pages of regulations they could run afoul of otherwise. I also make sure that not a single penny of taxpayer money is wasted in the process– difficult, since many of the regs kinda regulate a certain amount of silliness and waste.

            What the R&D folk do basically ends up either helping protect our warfighters better, or helps blow up bad guys better. Either way, it lends a bit of coolness to the job.

            Defense is, for me, one of the few areas that the Fed. Gov’t has a legitimate role in. And I’m not nearly cool enough– or in shape enough– to actually be a warfighter of any good, so I’ll be a deskjockey for them instead.

            I’m so glad we’re not unionized. How depressing that would be! How embarrasing! *cringes at the thought*

  8. AFinch says:

    For any Rush listeners out there with iPhones or iPads, be sure to download the free new Rush app from the Apple store. You get easy access to transcripts, email and audio. 24/7 members can listen to the podcast directly from the app without having to download to iTunes. Plus, you get to hear the great bumper music that gets cut out of the iTunes version. (I promise I don’t work for Apple or Rush.).

    • JRD says:

      Thanks for the heads up. I appreciate it.

    • PhillyCon says:


      How do you like the iphone? Would you recommend it?

      • AFinch says:

        I love it, but I’ve been with AT&T forever, so I’m used to the service (which a lot of people hate). Aside from the phone, it is a great device for internet, email, music, camera/video. I don’t have many apps and no games so can’t really speak to that. I would definitely recommend it, with the caveat that reception in many rual areas is spotty and I get lots of dropped calls in urban areas (NYC and Chicago in particular). I was in Philly last fall and don’t remember a lot of problems there.

        • GracieD says:

          I love my iPhone! I have apps for the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, and I have The USA Manual, which has lots of good information.

    • yomotley says:

      Speaking of Rush, I heard an advertisement on the radio for a “Rush Hour” at TGFriday’s! You text them ahead of time and your spot at the Mishawaka, IN restaurant is reserved for a special room to eat and get together with like-minded people to talk politics and other stuff. Will have to call and find out more of the details. Who would have thought?

      • WeeWeed says:

        Man that’s great! What an opportunity! I iz jealous!

      • AFinch says:

        What a great idea! I wonder who the counterpart would be that would draw a crowd from the left?

        • yomotley says:

          What surprises me is that this is a restaurant chain or franchise, I believe. I hope I have the name of the place correct and not spreading misleading info. I spent the whole ad time trying to figure out if they meant Rush, with a capital ‘r’ or rush as in ‘rush hour’. When it mentioned like-minded ideas and stuff, I said aloud, “Yeah, Wowzer” and missed being sure of the name.

  9. JRD says:

    Latest Genius Idea From Central Planning: Mandatory Anti-Entrepreneurial Posters


    Just when it looked like employers were getting less fearful about what President Obama might do next to worsen the business climate, the National Labor Relations Board (now with its first Democratic majority in a decade, thanks to Obama’s appointees) has announced that private employers will be required to display pro-unionizing posters in their businesses under a newly proposed federal rule.

    “The planned rule,” reported the Associated Press, “would require businesses to post notices in employee break rooms or other prominent locations to explain workers’ rights to bargain collectively, distribute union literature or engage in other union activities without reprisal.”

    What companies should do is display a set of their own posters alongside the government’s one-sided propaganda for unionism, for full disclosure. A large map of the U.S., for example, with wide arrows crossing the country would show the migration patterns reported in the 2010 census, the masses of people leaving heavily unionized and highly taxed regions, either by the force of joblessness or simply voting with their feet and heading off to less-collectivized locales. Headline on the poster: “WANNA MOVE?”

    Adding to the craziness, as if we don’t already have enough red ink and overpricing in government work, the aforementioned pro-unionization posters are now required to be displayed prominently in the offices of all government contractors and subcontractors.

    Stalin call your office!

  10. JRD says:

    The Sinister Soros-ACORN Connections You Aren’t Supposed to Notice

    by Anita Moncrief


    Mr. Soros is working together with Bo Cutter (Cutter worked with President Carter and was a former senior economic policy adviser in the Clinton administration. Most recently, Cuter served as leader of the OMB transition team for President Obama.) on the Next American Economy project, which among other topics will test the role of the private sector as a deliberate agent of change in American economic life over the next twenty-five years.”

    In other words, intimidate executives of corporations for extortion money or sign on to the Marxist agenda or face a scorched earth policy directed at your business.

  11. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Caught on Tape: Proof the NYC Blizzard Response Was Sabotaged?


  12. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Personal well-being overshadows income inequality

    • JRD says:

      Just love Michael Barone.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Hope they’re planning the developing and financing of a 45 level bureaucracy with block captains, because liberal progressive leftists are unable to produce original thoughts, act on their own motivation and insight, and would not dare do anything unscheduled for the day unless some bureacrat calls them and tells them to do it.

  13. Patriot Dreamer says:

    A rather defeatist article, but with the Progs in charge:

    Think Again: American Decline

    This time it’s for real.


  14. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Hey Mods, when do you all plan to announce the winner(s) of the best moonbat (barf) example of 2010? Lots of really good ones in there!

    • violet says:

      You said it, PD — an embarrassment of riches. I don’t envy the judges their job, having to choose the looniest one of the lot. I don’t think I would be able to do it.

  15. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Gaffey (D) resigns state senate seat (Conn.) and will plead guilty to misdemeanor election law violations


    • Debra says:

      Thanks for that. I love how he took care of his workers after that fire. He reminds me of my dad in that way – my dad will go out of his way to help his employees.

  16. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Do any of you like Keith Ablow, M.D. (Fox News contributor)? He has a new book out written with Glenn Beck:

    The 7: Seven Wonders That Will Change Your Life


    • NeeNee says:

      Did some checking and right now,

      there is speculation that Ablow

      (a Jew) may have converted to

      Mormonism. Glenn is certainly

      a cheerleader for his faith, which

      admirable for its family values,

      sadly has lots of delusion—mainly,

      that Holy Scriptures need to be

      supplemented with the Book of Mormon.

  17. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Glenn Beck has an updated web site at:


    Also check out his article on Fundamental Transformation:


    Be sure to check out below the article where he talks about “The E4 Solution”.

  18. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Part of the reason why we can’t balance the budget:

    HHS is Paying Google with Taxpayer Money to Alter ‘Obamacare’ Search Results


  19. Patriot Dreamer says:

    George Soros says it’s time for the U.S. to get used to New World Order:


    Video and article at link.

  20. Patriot Dreamer says:

    New edition of ‘Huckleberry Finn’ to lose the ‘n’ word


  21. Patriot Dreamer says:

    The ACLU’s Untold Stalinist Heritage

    Declassified documents and letters link early ACLU leaders with Communist Party


    Based on information from author Paul Kengor (author of “Dupes”).

  22. emmajeri1010 says:


    This link to an article on Pajamas Media provides context and details on the crime and corruption in Mexican government and law enforcement. Yesterday I posted a prayer request detailing the murder of the father of a co-worker of our son (who lives in Denver). His co-worker is a legal Mexican immigrant. His father had never left Mexico. His father was kidnapped in October. His body (murdered execution style) was found this past weekend. Family had been attempting to pay adequate ransom to get him back.

    Aren’t you just all grateful and stuff that Janet Incompetano is rah-rahing security for the Afghan border? And I saw another bit somewhere this morning that Greece is preparing to BUILD A WALL to keep illegals OUT! How DARE they??? Somebody report them to the U.N. (Maybe Hillary Chavez can take care of that when she’s done with her reports about the U.S.)

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Where do Greece’s illegals come from?

      • NeeNee says:

        I was curious, too, Patriot. So I googled and

        came up with an article, from the libtard NPR:


        Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Sudan, and Palestine were


      • emmajeri1010 says:

        This is just a guess and others need to chime in: I think north Africa and the Balkans. W/re to the Balkans, the former-Soviet states that collapsed in the 90′s are still an economic death zone. One Europe-issue that I think we have a hard time getting our heads around is “how close together” everything is. I can put my closed fist on our floor-standing globe and it “sort of covers” the 48 contiguous states, with a sliver of the east and west coast remaining. It also completely covers Europe, covering from London to Moscow. (Higher latitudes perhaps distort just a little…realizing that all types of mapping projections have their inherent “errors”). But all of Europe easily fits inside our 48 contiguous….so it would be like refugees or terrorists from Arkansas (hey, it’s the first state that came to mind) were slipping into New Mexico when nobody was looking. We’re inherently protected, geographically, w/re to our borders (and even at that, of course, our Incompetano Leaders still can’t manage)…but European countries are so, so vulnerable. Maybe we should have a money bomb to help Greece build their wall, since we can’t have one of our own.

      • Pat P says:

        Rush said today that Greece is building a wall on the Turkish border, and intimated that the illegals are members of the religion of peace.

    • yomotley says:

      Speaking of Hillary Chavez. Their “oogle” moment looks like something may have happened at the Hotel Chilton!

    • AFinch says:

      Oh that bodes well. Two weeks after it was approved by Congress and we’re already fighting with the Russians about what it means. Who knew?

  23. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Obamacare stops construction at 45 physician owned hospitals nationwide


  24. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Half the voters don’t believe Obamacare promise [that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”]


    I’m with the author of this article. What’s wrong with the other half of voters?

  25. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Berwick’s Orwellian Wellness Visit


    On the advanced directive and end of life planning discussion that is now required to take place every year for folks on MediCare.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Oh, I can’t WAIT until my doctor (who would HATE this idea) has to do this with me. Because I won’t answer his questions ’til he answers mine (and he’ll have to pass mine back up the line):

      1. Who needs to know this?

      2. What will happen to my level of medical care if I refuse to answer?

      3. Is there a camp with my name on it?

      4. Why do they want to kill me?

      And I would not intend that any one of these should be taken as rhetorical. I want answers.

  26. Thomas Hooker says:

    Who knew people keep miniature cows as pets?


  27. NeeNee says:

    This was up on Newsmax, which led to original

    article on Politico (which I intensely dislike).

    But it sounds like some of our side may have

    gotten elected under false pretenses, riding the

    coattails of the Tea Party—as if we didn’t suspect!



    “The NRCC confirmed that its chairman, Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), intends to be at the event at the W Hotel, where lobbyists, political action committee managers and others paying the $2,500 ticket price will be treated to a performance by country music star LeAnn Rimes (a $50,000 package includes a block of eight tickets and a “VIP suite” at the W). Among the Republicans who are members of America’s New Majority and stand to benefit from the Rimes event are Scott Desjarlais of Tennessee, Steve Southerland of Florida and Renee Ellmers of North Carolina — all of whom had tea party support and signed the Contract From America — a set of tea party principles that pledges fealty to the Constitution and limited government.”

    Link to entire article:


  28. TXMom says:

    Wow. I am lovin’ all these informative posts from you guys! Thanks!

  29. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Jay Cost responds to Michael Steele:

    Does Michael Steele Understand the RNC’s Role?

    A response to the chairman’s questions


    Heh. Jay takes Steele down a few pegs!

  30. Menagerie says:

    OK, just got this in an email and had to rush right over here to share.

    The stimulus is working!. I think people should lighten up on President Obama. Just a few weeks ago, he ago, he got jobs for 63 republicans.

  31. Menagerie says:

    Oops typos, got excited.

  32. sundancecracker says:

    Darnnit… Wish I’d known about this before I made my Christmas wish list.

    I. Want. One. Looks like lots of fun. WOW !!!

  33. sundancecracker says:

    Looks like the Kool-Aid drinkers are waking up from their Hopey Changey coma….

    An interesting poll now shows that more Americans now consider themselves to be members of the party of Lincoln and Reagan than of FDR and Obama. The poll finds that 37 percent of Americans now call themselves Republicans, compared with 34 percent who call themselves Democrats. Rasmussen adds, “Keep in mind that figures reported…are for all adults, not likely voters. Republicans are a bit more likely to participate in elections than Democrats.”

    Two Januaries ago, in 2009, the same poll showed that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by a tally of 41 to 33 percent. That’s a swing of 11 percentage points in party allegiance, away from Democrats (who have lost 7 points) and toward Republicans (who have gained 4 points), since President Obama took office.


  34. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Have people seen this awful new photo of the O’s on their way back from Hawaii (via HB)?


  35. Thomas Hooker says:

    If you ever try to catch a spider in the sink, remember to close the drain first.

  36. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Erick Erickson over at Red State is a hard nut to crack. Half the time he’s putting forward ideas that may be likened to the noises of an animal signalling its submission, stretched out on the ground spine downwards — and the other half, if you’re lucky, you’ll hear him roar. As he does here:


    Strange fellow — but I like the sound of it.

  37. sundancecracker says:

    WSJ claims Oprah channel debut a hit with “almost” a million viewers opening night.

    Funny that, almost 1 million is a “big hit”, but yet Palin’s 5 million was just happenchance. Hmmmmm.


  38. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Herman Cain talks about repealing ObamaCare on Neil Cavuto’s “Your World”:


  39. Kristi says:


    I saw over at Ace a zogby poll that says Chris Christie would beat Obama……

    I don’t think Christie is running but.. interesting

  40. WeeWeed says:

    I’m going to start screaming any moment. And this stupid beyotch is partly to blame with what is wrong with OUR borders. Gonna go get my tinfoil hat now. And chill … and wait.


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