Open Forum — Saturday, January 15, 2011

Good morning Honey Hikers!

It’s been a rough week. Here’s hoping this weekend brings more good news than bad.

Use this space to decompress and share news from your corner of the world.

251 Responses to Open Forum — Saturday, January 15, 2011

  1. AFinch says:

    The following video demonstrates the illogic of the left we saw on full display last week (h/t

  2. JRD says:

    Rev. Obama’s Revival Meeting
    By Jeannie DeAngelis
    To the untrained eye, the University of Arizona ceremony appeared to be a well-meaning memorial service visited by a somber President attempting to heal the nation. However, to an educated onlooker the event closely resembled a tent revival run by a hypster whose pious pontificating was more about furthering a political agenda than consoling the aggrieved.

    Was I the only one who recognized that when Obama entered the packed stadium all that was missing was a donkey and palm branches?

    • DeniseVB says:

      Great article comparing Obama to those slithery God for Profit people and spot on with:

      […]Attempting to channel a tempered Billy Sunday, Obama is more like charlatan-man-of-the-cloth, Ted Haggard. Haggard lived a life-style diametrically opposed to the one he espoused at the pulpit, as does the President who eloquently encouraged the cheering crowd to do a laundry list of what he has yet to do, such as: Refraining from passing blame, choosing not to turn on enemies, acting humble[…]

      Much like his wife who tells us to put the cookies down while she inhales 7 pies on Thanksgiving.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Good Mornin’, kids! Good article, JRD. I’m glad to see we weren’t alone in our revulsion of Rev. Barry’s tent revival and travelin’ medicine show. I’m still stuck with a gag reflex.

    • NeeNee says:

      By NeeNee
      (to the tune of Neil Diamond’s
      “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show)

      Cool desert night, auditorium’s packed
      and the pot in the air smellin’ sweet.

      Move up the aisle to the VIP row
      and the sound of that Oh-bama beat.
      Sits boob-belt Mechelle, who’s got no style
      And the ‘Bama Libtards tellin’ you and me:
      It’s Vitriol, Bro . . . BO’s Traveling show
      of the Snake Oil type.
      Abort all the babies and kill the old ladies and every lib goes
      ‘Cause everyone knows BO’s Snake Oil show.

      Room gets suddenly still and when you’d almost bet

      You could hear yourself sweat he walks in—
      Cheers, rah-rah cheers, and when he lifts that chin
      Every lib in the place worships him.
      Startin’ soft and slow like a small earthquake
      And when he lets go half the economy tanks.
      It’s Vitriol, Bro . . . BO’s Travelin’ show
      of the Snake Oil type.
      Abort all the babies and kill the old ladies and every lib goes
      ‘Cause everyone knows BO’s Snake Oil show.

      (Sarah Palin) Brothers (Sarah Palin) I say brothers
      Now you got yourself a great one to blame.
      And when our image is troubled you’ve gotta
      point your finger at her, ’cause that’s what she’s there for.
      And when you’re caught in lies, you’ve gotta reach out
      your other hand, reach it out and blame Bush 43
      ‘Cause that’s what he’s there for!

      Read the Koran, hey!
      Bow with me this day.

      In my heart I know
      I will never stray
      Halle, Allah, halle, Allah, halle, Allah, halle, ALLAH AK-BAR!

      It’s Vitriol, Bro . . . BO’s Travelin’ show
      of the Snake Oil type.
      Abort all the babies and kill the old ladies and every lib goes
      It’s Vitriol, Bro . . . BO’s Travelin’ show
      of the Snake Oil type.
      Abort all the babies and kill the old ladies and every lib goes

      FADE OUT . . .

  3. JRD says:

    Democrat Diversion Strategy Succeeds Again
    This strategy has been so successful over the years that the Left and their allies in the media are now so emboldened that they will literally create any accusation out of whole cloth in the assumption that the Republicans in Congress and on the national stage, as they have in the past, will cower in a corner and pledge their undying fealty to “civility.” Once they have done so, the Democrats and their allies will have the upper hand.

  4. JRD says:

    Florida freshman Rep. Allen West (R) said Gingrich advised the lawmakers to get ahead of the hot-button issues.

    West said Gingrich told them, “Messaging, being able to be proactive, not reactive and having a long-term vision and a long-term strategy which help you to build the enabling goals and objectives to get there.”

  5. PhillyCon says:

    That comment over at C4P really ticked me off. We can handles the usual Leftist/RINO drivel …but accusing her supporters of that is really, really, low.

    If anything, most C4Pers argue, she would be safer running b/c of Secret Service protection.

    BTW, I agree with everything you said on the Steele thread. But there is once again this naiveté, that if Sarah doesn’t run the death threats go away. Bullies do not work like that. How did it work for Bush (standing down)? There was a discussion on the first page of the open thread (which Am & I both weighed in), and this why “Americuda” said what he/she said.

    • AFinch says:

      Hmmm–I suspect we’re witnessing the latest concern troll tactic.

      You are, of course, absolutely right. Regardless of whether she runs for president, the threats and the hate will not stop. Those fomenting it will not stop until they think they have completely and totally destroyed her. But I will not presume to give her advice on that front. She knows the stakes better than any of us and she’s a strong, smart lady. I trust her judgment.

    • PhillyCon says:

      Yes, this tactic sounds very trollish, and defeatist. “Goethe Girl” was one who originally started it, and if you note, she “fooled” a couple posters as well. Sapwolf ultimately called her out.

      I have seen “Americuda” posts before and she/he seems to be in constant “lecture mode” to the C4P community. You pick these oddities here and there when you read threads.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      I didn’t care for it either (obviously). But her (?) subsequent comment was better, I thought.

      Yes, what people have to realize is that the threats against SP that the Democrats and their fellow travellers have unleashed will always be a factor to be considered by her, irrespective of whether she runs for President or pursues some other role in our political life. (Even if, heaven forfend, she were to follow the celebrity path as many claimed to believe — and hoped — she would, she would still run similar risks. And frankly, even were she to retire completely from public life, she still wouldn’t be out of danger.) Given this, the argument against her running for President but opting for some other way of serving the country loses quite a bit of its point.

      Of course, she should obtain Secret Service protection early on in the campaign, early than is usual on account of her much closer contact with large crowds (just as was done in O’s case).

  6. JRD says:

    The Party of Stupid Rises Again
    Effort To Blur Party Lines At State Of The Union Gaining Momentum

    According to Udall’s office, the following RINO Senators have formally signed on to the bipartisan seating plan: Murkowski McCain Snowe Collins Ayotte.


    • JRD says:

      Why Dems Want Everyone to Sit Together at the State of the Union

      By Rush Limbaugh

    • PhillyCon says:

      All the usual suspects, I’m afraid. Where’s Lindsay Graham?

      Seems like that bad press during the Lame Duck “got to” John McCain. Did anyone see that column he wrote in the Washington Post about “civility?” Not worth linking … but its the usual drivel …. it clearly becomes obvious to the reader why John McCain lost.

      Don’t you love being lectured by your leaders to be “civil” when you are called every horrible name in the book? Vichy Republicans. They do not want to fight, the GOP is so emasculated its almost sad to watch. Pathetic, truly pathetic.

      OK, rant over.

    • pistol pete says:

      Where has all this ‘bipartisan’ crap been the last two years?I’m so sick of this I could hurl.When the dems are in the majority,the repubs are treated like lepers.Then,when the position switches,suddenly it’s:’we all need to work together for the American people.’
      Remember when that spineless weasel Trent Lott was majority leader?The senate was split 50-50 and Cheney was the tiebreaker on votes.Tom Daschole(not mispelled) pushed to have committee co-chairs.Then the little turd got Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords to sell out his party for a committee chairmanship and suddenly everything changed and bi-partisanship was shunted aside.
      When are these morons going to get a clue?

    • sundancecracker says:

      I frilliantly agree and concur with every comment on this topic. Two weeks before the election The President of The “United” States called/labeled/identified me as “the enemy”.

      So I treated him like one. He lost.

      Now, I provide No Quarter ! He must learn the result of his own pontificated words…. “Elections have consequences”.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      It’s their pre-emptive strike….they love bipartisanship when they don’t dominate.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      This idea is so transparently self-serving for the Donkeys that I’m astonished that the ‘Pubs haven’t nixed it.

      Just consider what it would look like if O again insults the Supreme Court: the entire Congress, not merely the Democrats, will seem to be giving its assent!

    • Mrs. Compton says:

      Boehner didn’t go to AZ because there was a memorial event held for them in congress, he felt someone from leadership should have been there. As for the state dinners, I imagine he couldn’t keep his food down if he attended.

  7. JRD says:

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Helped ‘Plant the Seeds’ for ‘Environmental Justice Movement,’ Says Attorney General Holder

    This POS is a radical loon!

  8. JRD says:

    SMUG COMMIE Harvard’s Jill Lepore Ties Jared Loughner to Tea Party ‘Constitution Worship’

    We’ve long seen how tea party envy has been a common theme for the Obama era (the “coffee party,” for example), and in Lepore’s interview we see the lament that academic elites have failed to tap the tea party’s populist vibrancy. And so, when people and movements find themselves failing to be on the right side of history (like the progressives), they lash out. They attack and disparage. And they engage in libelous accusations that work to destroy any efforts at civil debate they purportedly claim to champion. All of this is hardly surprisingly, although it’s certainly dispiriting, in one way after another.

  9. AFinch says:

    Check this out–it’s a passage from 1984 on the Two Minute Hate, but with Palin as the subject. (posted by the author in the comments at C4P)

    • Pat P says:

      Excellent. Makes you think, doesn’t it? On a trivial level, reading white letters on a dark background causes eyestrain.

    • JRD says:

      Thanks for posting AFinch, loved it! She’s winning hearts and changing minds and the marxists are scared $hitless!

      She fears nothing. When cornered, she lashes out. She plays offense at all times, not just when so-called ‘experts’ think it’s convenient. And big pappa grizzlies don’t impress her one bit. She’s determined to protect her cubs – whether they’d be her own career, her ideals, her policy views, her children, or her allies – against all cost. And that’s precisely what makes her so dangerous to the left.

      Palin’s distinct approach to politics is “Palinism.” To me, it’s basically a libertarian conservative world view, combined with an aggressive strategy to win elections and shape the general tone of the debate. Although some more careful – and fearful – conservatives may not like it, Palin’s combination is the way forward.

      Although I have a record of criticizing Palin, I’ve come to respect her tremendously in recent months. The more she says and writes, the more impressed I am by her character, fearlessness, political intelligence and strategy. This is one dangerous lady – if you oppose her agenda.

      Conservatives need her desperately; other politicos are too afraid of the mainstream media to fight back, but not Palin. Unlike any other conservative politician, she’s able to set the tone of the debate. Even those who are right-of-center and who do not support the governor’s ambitions, have to admit that she has a vital role to play in the conservative movement. To silence her – because you consider her ‘too divisive’ – is not just ludicrous, but potentially dangerous. After all, who else is willing and able to take on the left and its dirty games?

      • Mrs Compton says:

        I would like to find a way to shut up the CONSERVATIVES don’t get her. They think she’s stupid and uneducated and hasn’t a prayer to win a bake off.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          As one who hasn’t automatically been all-in for Mrs. Palin, I think the best way to shut them up is for them to pay more attention to her…they will be persuaded if their concerns are ideological or faulty. And then if they choose to oppose her or not support her, they will have to say why.

          My concern for the last 8 months has been this: how much of the heavy-duty all-in highly vocal support that she has is just sheer surface enthusiasm because she’s fun to watch in action? There is a wrecking yard full of former politicians who could stir up alot of froth over a period of years, but who couldn’t deal with the final 100 yards on the national scene. I’ve been very, very positive in my response to her ever since the night John McCain brought her on stage: I was standing in my living room (jumping up and down, actually), screaming and crying and calling our sons (who were about doing the same) and I was saying, “Finally they got somebody out there who can talk common sense, who is a normal person….and who looks good doing it.” So I’ve loved her on a personal basis from the git-go.

          And now there’s also an Allen West who cuts much the same excellent in his presentation. And good grief, there’s Donald Trump.

          I guess I would just ask that those who are not all in for Sarah not be presumed to be anti-Sarah for no reason at all. Even with Sarah on the national scene, there some folks might choose someone else, and that should be ok.

          • AFinch says:

            I don’t have a problem with those who support another candidate. My problem is when they tear Palin down to do so. I also dislike claims that she can’t win by people who then refuse to identify their candidate of choice. Seems inconsistent to say she’s not good enough but then refuse to say who is.

          • PhillyCon says:

            We have few friends who support Romney. When conversing with them, I make sure they apply the equal amount of scrutiny to Romney and hold him to the same standard as they do Palin.

            If they say Palin is unelectable and can’t win independents, I return the volley and ask them how Romney can do the same.

            Palin and everyone else faces the same obstacles. As I have said before, we hear more about Palin’s “flaws” or “negatives,” (b/c the LSM is obsessed with her) but this doesn’t make any of the others perfect by any means.

  10. Morning y’all. Hope you are all feeling fabulous today!

    Off to run errands with Baby Girl then home for a marathon round of Italian cooking (Irish style).


  11. PhillyCon says:

    Re-reposting a HotAir comment via “panchita” from C4P:

    I’m a former Leftist and I thought I’d seen it all. But the events of last week point out something truly new and more vividly evil than anything I’ve seen in America. We see now with a painful clarity how far the Left has come in degrading and morally inverting our society, and how far they intend to go — to the ends of tyranny. This battle is now life and death for America.

    What happened to Sarah Palin is pure madness, and from every angle we see in it both the Left’s grand design and fascist fingerprints of execution. Every coping mechanism used by conservatives for the past 15 years to deal with the rise of the Left — which all boiled down to some form of appeasement or avoidance — has failed. Outside of a few writers and philosophers, very few people in the public realm have a clue what the Left is up to our how to contend with them, or have the wits to try a new strategy. Within the popular culture, or among politicians, Sarah Palin is the only person who comprehends and is equipped to do so.

    The Left knows this, and they must destroy her. Other conservatives sense the “blood libel”, this fierce intent to destroy, and realize what the Left has in store for them if they rise to her defense. The last week was partly a show of strength by the Left and media, a threat to others who might think of defending her. The imagery of “blood libel”, of how the Nazis divided and culled and massacred the Jews, is more than apt — it is exact, adapted to a non-police state. What the Left and media did was everything they could do under its constraints.

    She must run for President. There is no one else. And we must meet their fierce intent with our own fiercer one. There is no other way.

    rrpjr on January 13, 2011 at 8:30 PM

    • Bijou says:

      Chilling and so accurate.
      Thanks, PhillyCon.

    • emmajeri1010 says:


    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      It’s frightening indeed to watch how, over the last year and some, Obamatry (which was after all in favor of something, hence in the strict sense something positive) has devolved into Palinophobia (which is entirely reactive and negative).

      Actually, dare I say it, I wish the Obamatons had remained that and nothing else. What they’ve by now become is even worse. They were cultists; now they’re either certifiable or rabid (take that as figuratively or literally as you wish).

      In view of that, surrender is not an option (to quote one of the few besides Palin whom I would seriously consider for the office of President).

  12. DeniseVB says:

    Newsbusters has a roundup of the Left’s trashing of Sarah…..

  13. WeeWeed says:

    Here’s that parody Rush did on Sheriff Dipsh*t yesterday for those of you that missed it!

  14. AFinch says:

    Hey y’all. We have a visitor on aisle “thrive”. Be sure to give her a warm, Honey Trail welcome.

  15. WeeWeed says:

    Have you ever questioned your own sanity? Until you do this, you’re fine – I think we’re ALL fine….

  16. Mrs Compton says:

    I’m not sure if my weekend will be getting any better. DH has been working on a big project, a difficult project with difficult people. It was going into it’s final stages of writing, and the company he is being secondary too pulled out leaving him high and dry. It’s to late for them to take over the project (they could have tried to bid it and might have been successful) but due to some fricking govt regulations (and probably timing by this company, knowing them) they don’t have the time now to bid it.

    This means another set back for DH’s career, he needs a win to get promoted and he seems to be put in every loosing project there is while others just sail on through. He’s feeling very down, been that way now for a while since he hates having to continually loose. Promises from his company have been broken, money taken away and they expect him to work for free when his billing hours have run out. I need some prayers for him that he can find some happiness in his job. I know we are blessed that he has a secure job but at times when I see him depressed knowing he has to go into a slog it breaks my heart.

    He’s a good man, that might be part of the problem, he hates to make waves, but ya know some times you have to break some eggs to get what you want. Thanks for any prayers you can give him.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Poor DH – my prayers that things start looking up for him. He should relax and decompress all week-end. Monday will be here soon enough.

    • PhillyCon says:

      Prayers for your DH … Mrs. C: also post on the the prayer thread … there’s a whole bunch that will pray for your DH over there ….

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      That’s awful (emma said with all seriousness). It’s such a helpless feeling for a man working his butt off to protect his current job, being ripped off by the employer in one form or another, can’t invest time in looking for another job (even if there was one out there) and just keeps on showing up everyday wondering if he’s just digging himself deeper in the hole. Everything about this situation is a commentary on the employer, but for your DH, it’s almost impossible–in the thought world–to keep that straight.

      20 years ago in California, my DH (diesel mechanic at the time) was working up to 19 hours a day, 5 weeks running, while his Iranian (and proud to flaunt it) employer (completely genial at all times) refused to ever cut him a paycheck. Finally had to take him to the state labor board and their immediate response was “oh, him again!”….and he cut a check for several thousand dollars on the spot….the money was not an issue. He was an Arab sucking the blood of the stupid American who had such a work a work ethic he just kept on working hard. Closest to slave labor we ever came.

      Being at peace doesn’t mean everything is right with the world…and I well know that’s well nigh impossible to be at peace when you’re so tired and trying so hard to keep going. I pray something changes for him, and soon. It is a fact that sometimes there is nothing for us to do but stand. And keep standing. Endurance is not easy or fun. That’s why most people don’t do it much. He is having to endure. Tell him Honey Trail cares about that.

    • MRM says:

      Keeping you and DH in my prayers ..

  17. PhillyCon says:

    Looks like Palin fighting back has touched a nerve with the Left. Two leftist trolls already in less than 24 hours on our “little” blog.

  18. Pat P says:

    Has anyone else seen/read coverage of Ron Reagan’s new book, in which he claims that he saw signs of alzheimer’s disease in his dad’s actions while he was still in office? What a slimey kid, to take advantage of the anniversary of his dad’s birthday, and make a shameful claim like that. His half brother, Michael, say Ron is nuts. Here’s a piece on IOTW about it:

    • Mrs. Compton says:

      I use close captioning and this looks very much like that. But I wonder if the audience thought since it had that they should applaud. I mean we’ve discovered this isn’t the smartest school in the nation.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        if it was in fact the closed-captioning for deaf/hard of hearing, that means there is someone sitting there with the speech running, inserting real time audience response? Don’t know–asking for info….

        • Mrs. Compton says:

          I’ll keep an eye out for it on live shows and see what they do. Beck is a good one since he has an audience some of the times.

        • AliRose says:

          They may have actually been broadcasting directly from one of the networks. I would bet that the jumbotrons have that capability. To function as a TV, basically.

          Or, they may have students there that study that, just like the TVs were probably operated by people studying broadcasting, etc.

        • Debra says:

          I’m putting my two cents in – I think it was closed captioning. We watch alot of TV with closed captioning on it (just because, it’s easier to know what people said for sure) and the brackets with the applause would be how it would have been denoted.

  19. Patriot Dreamer says:

    JFK’s Unimpressive Harvard Application

    It’s good to be a legacy.

  20. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Comprehensive List of Tax Hikes in ObamaCare

  21. marie says:

    i remeber that ..freedom of speech was thriving then..imagine if a movie about assassinating bambo were made today??

  22. Bijou says:

    This is a superb column by the inimitable P. J. O’Rourke, on the NYT shameful ‘coverage’ of the Tucson tragedy. Actually, it goes much deeper than that.
    I promise you will not be disappointed.

  23. Mrs Compton says:

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

    DH and I both gave this guy a lot of money.

  24. Pat P says:

    Mr Tabouley just posted on the ‘Lipstick’ thread – continuation of discussion a while ago. Needs attention.

    • AFinch says:

      Nope. I told him the last time he was here that he was getting no more of my time or attention. He clearly doesn’t want to engage in civil discourse, so let him stew back there on a week-old thread.

      • Pat P says:

        I answered him myself. Should have waited, perhaps. The funny thing is, he accuses us of saying things about him that we didn’t say. He says, for example, that we called him deranged. The word deranged is used five times in that thread – all by him!

        • AFinch says:

          Yes. I also found it interesting that most of the examples of bad behavior he cited were things that KD did at HB, claiming that we all sat silently while KD disparaged POTUS and FLOTUS.

          We all know that KD heavily moderated comments. So how does tabouley know that we were all silent? How does he know that our protests were not simply scrubbed or deleted as so many things at HB are? And if reading without commenting is a punishable offense, then, as you point out, tabouley is as guilty as the rest of us.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        They are what they show themselves to be….our problem, so often, is an instinctive “trying to protect them from themselves”, as we initially respond from “you can’t possibly mean what you just said….you can’t possibly be that unkind, uninformed….” whatever. Apparently it will be real timesaver for us to just accept the first self-relevelation they provide us with.

    • JRD says:

      You know I’ve decided that I am not going to feed the trolls. Then they will go away. Their mission is to disrupt our conversation and I’d much rather hear what everyone has to say on this site than listen to the rants of an Axelrod paid troll. I am NOT telling anyone else what to do. If you enjoy it, go for it.
      It does appear that Dumb-0 is gearing up for campaign mode so I only expect the trolling to increase.

      • Integrity1st says:

        I responded on the Thrive link to another, but I thoroughly enjoyed it, so I think it’s okay when it’s fun. It’s trying to debate lib friends that is the real time drain/waste.

      • Jennifer H says:

        I dunno, you all seem to shut them up- and shut them down pretty quickly. I have noticed on other sites that when not challenged it seems like they grow emboldened- and interject more and more venom into the conversations.

  25. sundancecracker says:

    What is Celibacy?

    Celibacy can be a choice in life, or a condition imposed by circumstances.

    While attending a Marriage Weekend, Frank and his wife Ann listened to the instructor declare, “It is essential that husbands and wives know the things that are important to each other.”

    He then addressed the men. “Can you name and describe your wife’s favorite flower?”

    Frank leaned over, touched Ann’s arm gently, and whispered, “Gold Medal-All-Purpose, isn’t it?”

    And thus began Frank’s life of celibacy…

    • Pat P says:

      Funny! An old girlfriend once told me that when her husband gave her a vacuum cleaner for her birthday, she knew the marriage was over.

      • Mrs. Compton says:

        DH just said he would have gone with King Arthur! Ah, he knows me so well!

        • Integrity1st says:

          And I’m okay with vacume cleaners, or anything else practical. I had to STOP the flowers unless they were ones for planting in the garden. That has yet to happen, i.e. getting plants I can put in garden, primarily because I buy them like a drug addict buys herion.

  26. Mrs. Compton says:

    Not work safe, but I just had to share, it’s the funniest thing I’ve seen today!!

  27. DeniseVB says:

    Bless Me Hikers, for I have created a *closed* FB Group for Honey Trail:!/home.php?sk=group_122814694453508

    Crap. Now what do I do?

  28. Kristi says:

    Made a small dent in stocking up food today. Kroger had 2 for $1.00 canned veggies.

    Feels kinda good to be proactive.. just in case the s.h.t.f… and its not like we wont eat it anyway if it does not.

    I also got a card for Sarah Palin.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Good start, Kristi! Just one or two extra things, every time you go. Pretty soon you’ll have a whole months’ worth.

      • Kristi says:

        I can do it!

        • WeeWeed says:

          We do a lot of beans (dried) and rice, too, which are cheap. Grab a bag of each (if you eat that) of those occasionally, too. PD’s advice of only what you will eat is correct, though! A sale is not a good deal if you’re not going to eat it. (We do Sam’s once a month or so – can grab a case or two of whatever for very little – pretty soon your problem will be storage room!)

          • notamolly says:

            Rotate the food though. :) My LDS friends have 2 years (DH and I can’t quite get that organized and we are more on the 72 hours or more kick).

            • WeeWeed says:

              Exactly :) ! Right now, I’m hanging around 1 – 3 months. Just now starting to build up like Kristi – and rearranging shelves in the utility room to accommodate storage & rotation.

              • Ting says:

                Some people have talked about cigarettes as being something to have on hand for bartering.
                Does anyone here happen to know how long an unopened pack remains “good?” Do you store them in the fridge, or the freezer, or at room temperature? I am going to be out of the country in a few weeks and I am told that Marlboro cigarettes cost less than half of what they cost here, so I was wondering if it made any sense at all to buy some for the “barter box.”

                • Kristi says:

                  I dont think they expire.
                  But I have heard of people putting them in the fridge to keep them fresh.

              • notamolly says:

                We do have shelving in the basement and quite a few cans but then again we have stuff that has spoiled. We need to stock and rotate better is the lesson for us. Another thing is to have food that will not need to be cooked (crackers and PB) but watch the expiration dates.

    • Kristi says:

      Did somebody on here post this link awhile ago?

      Anyway.. its a guy who survived a collapse and he has some interesting thought on how to prepare. Especially barter items.

      • Jennifer H says:

        The Saucepan
        I know that many of you are asking themselves: What is this guy doing with such a pic?
        The saucepan is a symbol in my country. It was used to remove one useless President after another, a total of 5 in one week. People would beat the pan in their homes and on the streets as a sign of protest. The sound of MILLIONS of pans beating is… humbling, to say the least. It’s like one giant vibration wave that no one could ignore, therefore the president had to escape the government house through the roof in a chopper.

        It is also a symbol of hunger. Thousands of Argentines beat pans like that one against the closed doors of the banks that refused to return them their money.

        The saucepan.

        A powerful symbol indeed.

        It only proves that it’s not the weapon, M16, FAL, M1A, it’s the willpower that matters.
        A saucepan. When every single Argentine beat it, the power of all of them united was enough to remove a president, backed by an entire army.

        Not a shot fired, just the will of the people.. and a saucepan to be heard.

        How poignant and descriptive, I love this imagery. Thank you Kristi- a hard read but a great one. I will reread it again and again I am sure.

        • Kristi says:

          Was it Romania that jingled keys…
          kind of the same concept.

          Its very hard to read.. especially imagine that happening here.

        • Integrity1st says:

          That was powerful Jenn. When did that happen?

          • Jennifer H says:

            This was a passage from the blog post that he has been writing about the collapse of Argentina, and how to live through an economic collapse. Quite long but very informative. Not sure when this happened, but yes it spoke to me as well.

  29. Kristi says:

    Jeb Bush comments….


    “Let me be clear: I don’t think officialdom, in the Republican Party, has a tone problem. It’s voices, not many of them, but loud voices that are picked up – and magnified by our friends in the media – that send that signal,” Bush said.

    “The more controversial you are in America – the greater likelihood your voice will be heard.”

    Bush later added: “After the incredible tragedy in Tucson, immediately – within 24 hours – there were people on the left and right back to the same fight. Kind of trying to assess blame rather than to mourn for the loss of people.”

    “You don’t have to personalize your disagreements with people. You don’t have to tear down the other person. Your ideas should have enough merit to be able to win the day. So I hope that the Tucson experience – the reaction to the reaction – helps us get to a better place politically,” Bush added.


  30. JRD says:

    Liberals Just Can’t Help Themselves. Like Rush says, “They Always Overreach.”

    Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

    Toward the end of the town hall meeting Saturday morning, one of the shooting victims, J. Eric Fuller, took exception to comments by two of the speakers: Ariz. state Rep. Terri Proud, a Dist. 26 Republican, and Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

    According to sheriff’s deputies at the scene, Fuller took a photo of Humphries and said, “You’re Dead.”

    Deputies immediately escorted Fuller from the room.

    Pima County Sheriff’s spokesman Jason Ogan said later Saturday that Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and he also will be charged with disorderly conduct.

    • PhillyCon says:

      Just coming over here to post this. Something about this sounded fishy to me …. now, its all makes sense.

      Conspurrency, bayby!

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      This puts his accusation against Palin, Beck, and Angle in a somewhat different light, doesn’t it — even legally?

    • WeeWeed says:

      Well, well. Maybe that idiot Pelosi was right – the Tucson massacre was an “accident.” Maybe this pos should be questioned a little more closely.

    • TXMom says:

      Awww. A Leftie Loon acting out again. Ya think CNN is gonna show it? LOL

      • sundancecracker says:

        No they’ll claim PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), that will be their “box” of explanation…. He couldn’t help himself.

        They will skip the part where ‘they’ have claimed there is no such illness for combat soldiers. They’ll just grab it as a shield. That is how they roll. It ain’t hypocrisy if progs don’t need it to be…… Just watch.

        • Integrity1st says:

          I posted this on Fuller thread and am repeating here:
          In an interview with The Arizona Republic, Dr. Laura Nelson, deputy director of the Division of Behavioral Sciences of the Arizona Department of Health Services, said that Mr. Fuller’s actions could be a response to the trauma he suffered a week ago.

          But since this is the blame game for loonitics behavior, we all know the Sheriff and the rest of the libs are responsible for this:

          In the days after the shooting, his anger at the right seemed especially strong. In an interview, he repeatedly denounced the “Tea Party crime syndicate” and place some of the blame for the shooting on Sarah Palin and other Republican leaders who he said contributed to a toxic atmosphere.

          • sundancecracker says:

            Libs are never accountable for their behavior. The individual does not exist, only the collective. That way they can explain their dependency, or abhorrent behavior on environment instead of self.

            Poor Fuller guy, he just couldn’t help himself.

            Same goes for poor young Mr. Laughner who was influenced by those horrid Tea Partiers. It ain’t his fault.

            • MRM says:

              you’re right Sundance. That’s something i noticed long before I started paying attention to “politics” per se. Just listen to any criminal’s statement about his/her crime.. it’s always in the passive voice. Cars got wrecked, windows got broken, money was stolen … never I wrecked the car, I stole the money, I broke the window… nothing is EVER their fault.

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