Saturday Open Forum – December 11, 2010

Good Morning! Wow, a late start this a.m.. The DH and I hung out last night with our son and a very lovely lady he recently started dating. They kept us up late, and not being used to it, we way overslept. What a refreshing evening (and early morning) to spend with two bright, beautiful people. Just good fun. Have a great day.

84 Responses to Saturday Open Forum – December 11, 2010

  1. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Here I’m still shaking my head in disbelief — strangely, this Misadministration still has the power to surprise me — at O’s, or rather Bill Clinton’s press conference and the way in which it unfolded.

    “Please go.” Indeed.

  2. emmajeri1010 says:

    Good morning, Trail-ers! The blizzard missed us, just to the south, so that’s a blessing. It’s not going to miss some of you…stay safe and keep the shovel handy. Some bitter cold is coming our way, but as long as the wind isn’t too high, we can deal with that.

    I truly can hardly believe the public behavior of the POTUS: walking on a press conference he called without informing his advisors and leaving BILL CLINTON holding the floor!!!! I think he is in a slow mental collapse, knowing he is center stage, fully aware that he’s in total “fail” mode and can’t think of anything to do but hide. Reminds of a preacher we know personally who had sexually abused female parishioners for decades; common knowledge among those whom he was accountable; finally one of those women filed criminal charges; during the trial he was indignant and very suave, very full of information about what a character deficient person she was; and then, voila! when the jury came back with a verdict of “guilty” he fainted away right on the spot. And then, conveniently, he fainted and collapsed at the sentencing as well. Those who practice deceit and abuse of other people and who get accustomed to getting away with it truly have some physiological/emotional barriers within themselves that dissolve and leave them defenseless and unable to cope, even physically, when the rules change and adults call them on their evil. obama is about to either faint, vomit or collapse with a violent headache in public….and it won’t be because of some medical emergency. It will because his physiology can no longer maintain his habitual patterns of life. That’s my pointy opinion.

    • Bijou says:

      Fainted? Wow!
      What a wimp…or delicate flower, as his new prison girlfriend, Mongo, calls him.
      That karma thing again…tsk, tsk.

    • yomotley says:

      And how many press conferences has he held in the last eighteen months — the kind of press conference where, you know, the president actually, like, answers questions?

      Also, the going to the Christmas party has some other meaning and/or dig at someone. We just don’t know yet. I say this because, remember when he made his little remark about having to go pick up dog poop? Well, later GW’s book came out and interview mentioning having to pick up dog poop on walks about town with the dog. Don’t know if it was suppposed to be a joke by O. and he did not realize everyone had not read the book yet. Or if it was a message to GW that he had access to and read the book before it was public.

      • sundancecracker says:

        I think the POTUS presser really was a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment for our nation at the highest magnitude.

        An absolute reflection on his incompetance, and actually his arrogance. I mean, I know his date with Michelle was important, but ya know the looming tax rate issue is kinda, well… important and stuff. Like sumpin’ one of those executive type important dudes aughtta handle maybe, I mean its kinda important to the economic thing…. just sayin’…

        • Menagerie says:

          Are you daring to suggest the business of the country should come before Michelle? How dare you sir. Next thing you know, you will want to keep your own earnings. Where will it go from there?

      • GracieD says:

        Has he actually answered a question in a coherent fashion? My answer would be no, he just spouts foolishness until everyone’s eyes glaze over, then he says “next question”.

  3. Bijou says:

    Good Morning, Honeys!
    Bernie Madoff’s elder son, Mark, hung himself in his Soho apartment. He and his brother have vehemently denied all along that they knew nothing of their father’s scam, and that appears to be true.
    The worst thing about it is that he has a young family. His wife was in Florida with their four-year old, but their two-year old was asleep in the apartment with him when he did it.
    I have a feeling there’s going to be a special place in hell for Madoff Senior when he gets there. He destroyed so many families, including his own.

    • Oh…that is toooooo funny. But Big Dawg as a ‘little wheel?’ LOLz… I went to the DUmp last night (research) and oh my. The gnashing of teeth over there. The true believers are wilting there like Barky during a Me!chelle ‘evil eye’ glance.

  4. Good afternoon honies!!! Just a quick check in (around shopping and now baking for cookie exchange tomorrow). I will be ready by about the 23rd (of March).

    I was stunned by the ‘Presser’ w/the President (Clinton) and the Poser (Duh Won). Wow…going to go to my tiny blog and have some fun with THAT later…

    Not sure if Snowapalooza is going to hit us here (Pittsburgh)…but rest assured the IMPORTANT weather updates are being made (when WILL the storm hit relative to the Stillerz game? Yes, severe weather here IS reported as to how it will affect Big Ben’s foot ‘boot’ and tailgating. Priorities ;) )

    Will check back later…


  5. Bijou says:

    I’m still somewhat in shock over BO abandoning the presser yesterday, and letting Bubba remind everybody what a (sort of) adult looks like.
    If people in the US are shocked, imagine how this looks to the REST of the planet.

    On the bright side, he just handed Sarah the best campaign ad EVAH!
    I think the Leftists running the show will have no choice but to replace BO for the 2012 run. He’s radioactive after that stunt.
    Unlessssssssss…..he appoints Bubba ‘Presidential Czar’ and claims it was all part of a well thought-out plan.

    • Kristi says:

      Ya know… I was never a fan of Clinton.. but seeing him at the podium reminded me of an adult in charge too.

    • French reader says:

      No idea about the rest of the world. In France, the MSM are not ready to make any negative comment about Obama. And the government has enough problems with the economy.

      The death of Madoff’s son made the evening news.

      • CAS says:

        Thanks for checking in. What is your take on how regular citizens feel about Obama?

      • Integrity1st says:

        Speaking of lurkers, please know, we love hearing from you. There were some that left some nice messages when we all were finding this place, and we would love to hear from you again, so do drop in = )

      • Amsterdam Expat says:

        Nice to see you here!

      • Bijou says:

        French reader, bienvenue et merci!

        • French reader says:

          Thanks for the greetings !

          @Cas : to the regular citizens, Obama is great. Isn’t this the French MSM’s anthem ? He is so hip, so coooool ! He swings !

          Week-end news on TV : Sarah Palin shooting at a caribou. And she needs five shots to hit it ! Ouaf, Ouaf ! Doesn’t she make a fool of herself !

          That’s about all.

          More seriously, alot about Wikileaks, related to France and foreign politics. And darn ! why did Sarkozy tell Bush that he would be candidate to the French presidency before he announced it to the French citizens ?

  6. GracieD says:

    I was speechless when Zippy left Bubba with the press. That could be a dangerous thing. I literally stared at the TV with my jaw dropped.

  7. I was speechless that Big Dawg, or Bubba as we call him in the south, went to The Won’s aid after all that The Won and Michelle-Lady-of-Spain did to them literally and by proxy. And now I am a little worried about him; to me he does not look well, anyone else see that?

    The Won was standing there fidgeting, grinning like a cheshire cat; then I realized that he was keeping the better half waiting and SHE MUST BE OBEYED! It was unseemly that he would exit. Did I hear Bubba say, help me, as The Won had said he was to exit?

  8. WeeWeed says:

    A fun thing, for those of us that are easily amused.

  9. WeeWeed says:

    And a real damper on an otherwise fine day…

  10. Bijou says:

    Ralph Nader is really pissed off at BO.

    He’s calling for a new prog leader to step forward and run against him.
    Even hinted that he might just do that himself.
    Wow. I think we better start stocking up on popcorn, before hyperinflation kicks in.

  11. sundancecracker says:

  12. CAS says:

    Snarky, ironic and funny. Written two, count ‘em two, years ago. (warning: language not for the faint of heart)

    “Obama also announced that he had accepted his own appointment of himself as an Assistant Undersecretary in the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
    “It’s a fairly low-stress job that I’m reasonably qualified for,” said Obama. “I really can’t do much damage there, and it will give me plenty of free time for Oprah specials”

  13. yomotley says:

    Hey, in case you skipped over
    “Why? Because these are times of great consequence” on the home page, thinking might be some heavy stuff you will wait for later to digest, you may want to zip back over there for a good read. May I suggest you share any similar stories or letters you have come across. I am still shaking my head and chuckling at how creative some people are in responding to “communication” from the government.

  14. yomotley says:

    Hey, can anyone tell me how to register on Michelle Malkin’s site to comment. I can’t find a button anywhere. It looks like a WordPress site but not be since my login does not work for there.

    • WeeWeed says:

      I think she has open registration periodically like hot air – I lost mine at MM when the old email co. we were using (local) went under.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      I think MM only opens up registration for comment at her site every once in a while. Same with Hot Air. And I’ve never actually seen open registration at either site.

  15. Amsterdam Expat says:

    The press conference that O abandoned was certainly peculiar and thus elicited some further reflection, which has led me to a tentative conclusion which I’d like to share here in order to see if others find it to be somewhat plausible.

    It doesn’t seem to me that what happened consitutes a sign that O is “losing it”; on the contrary I think O’s leaving the press conference in Bill Clinton’s hands represents a Machiavellian maneuver — against the latter! Perhaps Pres. Clinton does not realize it, but he too, and by extension his wife — it’s not just the Republican leadership on Capitol Hill (cf. Krauthammer) — has just been rolled by O. At least, this is my hypothesis, O’s action was motivated by his calculation that his most loyal constituency, i.e., black Americans, may well be very irritated by his performance as President thus far (really, who wouldn’t be?) but that notwithstanding is much more inclined to want to save face vis-à-vis the debacle that is this Administration and hence will be incomparably more irritated, stronger, more resentful whenever the debacle is exposed to public view, as it incontestably was in this press conference; and further, O may have surmised that it will be Clinton’s person on whom this resentment is likely to be unloaded, and thus also on Hillary Clinton as well — which result would then be the ultimate raison d’être of this whole sneaky trick. (We have good grounds for thinking that O is very, even inordinately concerned with the threat she poses to him, as a potential contender in 2012. As for getting Pres. Clinton to co-operate even against his own better interest, it may have been enough to dangle before him this time in the public eye.)

    Does this sound at all plausible?

    Please note: I am only talking about tactical calculations that may or may not have motivated what otherwise may seeem like an inexplicable lapse on O’s part. What I am NOT addressing here is whether the psychological reactions O attributes to black Americans — on this hypothesis — are in fact those they are likely to have. The eventual success or failure of O’s gambit, in other words, is outside my scope here; I’m not interested in analyzing a collective mentality (whatever that may be) but only O’s own considerations in framing this move.

    • sundancecracker says:

      The “optics” for this presser couldn’t have been worse for Obama. We see a sitting president step aside because he can’t control the situation and dad has come home to solve his problems. Complete incompetence–nothing less.

      Who the hell is in charge of the calendar anyway?
      Oh well,……. Party On Garth.

    • AFinch says:

      I was traveling nearly all day yesterday and missed the presser and all the reaction until I logged on to the Trail this afternoon. So, I clearly have not put as much thought into this as you have, but here are my reactions to your hypothesis:

      1. I’m still not willing to credit O with the intellectual fire-power or political agility it would take to outmaneuver the Clintons if the latter were fully engaged.
      2. I’m still not convinced that the Clintons are at odds with Obama. They have been right by his side, assisting him in enacting his destructive policies every step of the way. Remember before the Obamacare vote, Bubba told democrats that the reason they lost Congress in 1994 was because they failed to pass healthcare? Remember that photo of HRC gleefully embracing Obama after Obamacare passed? I think they’re all playing for the same master.
      3. Your analysis assumes that (a) Obama can even comprehend that people might have some legitimate criticism of him and (b) he wants to be responsive in some way to those critics. I don’t think Obama gives a rat’s patooty what any of his constituents think of him–least of all his black constituents. Having just watched the segment of the presser where Obama leaves, my impression was the he was bored with the whole thing and pi$$ed at the idea of standing there and answering more questions from the riff-raff. I’m not sure that Clinton even knew O was going to leave him there on his own.

      I think there is no question that the Clintons got rolled by Obama in the primary. Neither of them are foolish enough to get played by him again. So, if we assume, as your argument does, that the Clintons are still battling Obama (and that the fight is not simply imagined by those who would have preferred to see HRC in the White House) what do the Clintons gain from being so closely aligned with an administration so clearly off the rails? No one seriously believes that HRC could mount a credible challenge to Obama in a primary and even if she won, she will likely not be able to disassociate herself from O sufficiently to win the general.

      Isn’t the more reasonable explanation what most of us have known all along: that the Clintons are rabid leftists and are willing to do everything in their power to implement the leftists’ gameplan for America? They’ve had their White House, they’ve made their money, they have their fame and the respect of the Washington and DC elite. What else could they possibly gain from playing this game?

      • Amsterdam Expat says:


        I admit that any assumption that the Clintons would be outwitted or outflanked as regards this or that tactic — as distinct from an overarching strategy, for of course O’s campaign strategy in 2008 did defeat them — is tenuous. Hence the idea that Pres. Clinton (and by extension HRC) may have been pushed forward as figures onto which –in O’s calculation –the irritation of black Americans might vent itself, rather than getting directed at him, is shaky. But what if the calculations involved were not strictly speaking O’s but one of his advisors’, Axelrod’s for instance?

        But assuming still that there is a sort of covert intramural war between O and the Clintons (mea culpa, I’m having trouble letting go of my sense that there is one, regardless of whether it’s ambition or revenge that really motivates the Clintons at this point), O of course has also been outflanked quite often by them. It does seem to me that some of the Clintons’ moves over the past years have been intended to embroil O in serious difficulties (e.g., laying such stress upon the health-care issue so that O took it upon himself as his, with the results we know) — and so, along similar lines, I wonder just what Pres. Clinton was aiming to accomplish by trumpeting that the tax-cut deal was the best the Donkeys could hope for under the circumstances? Did he perhaps intend by some reverse-psychology to encourage those on the left opposed to it to persist and thus to help make it fall apart (on the assumption that were it passed it would most likely benefit O — much as e.g. Krauthammer suggests it will)?

        And along similar lines — it might not only be the likes of B. Sanders whom a statement like Pres. Clinton’s is meant to encourage, or should I say enrage, but perhaps also someone like R. Nader, who’s now making noises about yet one more third-party challenge to O from the left in 2012.

        Circles within circles — all hypothetical to be sure, but that press conference was sure perplexing as a piece of theatre …

        • AFinch says:

          It is all very, very intriguing. So if we both agree that O isn’t smart enough to take on the Clintons alone, who do you think is calling the shots?

          And if we assume, for purposes of the discussion, that the Clintons are battling Obama, what do you think is their goal? Is it merely revenge? To save the D party? The Presidency?

          • Amsterdam Expat says:

            That is a good question. Off the top of my head I’d have to say it’d be Axelrod behind it (if in fact the thing was planned and not a colossal blunder — which I’m far from ruling out, on the other hand) — that’s one cunning fellow.

            It could very well be that the Clintons have given up their hope that HRC would be President one day yet still want O out in 2012, which might mean that they’ve accepted the likelihood of a Palin presidency — and will do their bit to see it happen, for instance by in effect egging on the left to challenge O. Would it be revenge that motivates them in this, or some other cause? Who knows … but if this is their aim, I wish them luck!

            And regardless: the energy against this most recent piece of horrid legislation seems to be building. This Congress in its last moments should not be deciding anything!

      • Amsterdam Expat says:

        Richard Fernandez takes up the question of what went down in this press conference:

        • sundancecracker says:

          It’s true. Obama does not know the difference between him ‘being the president’, and him ‘being representative of the office of the president’. Obama has never been in a position of responsibility for anything other than himself. Hence, he cannot identify with a responsibility beyond himself. It shows in almost everything he does.

      • WeeWeed says:

        There IS the wikileaks carp about HRC and her memos here and there…that BO could have stopped. I think he tries to set her up all the time. There’s definitely no love lost between them and I’m no defender of either.

    • Ting says:

      Ya’ll are all thinking so strategically that you put me to shame. When I saw that video last night, all I saw was a man who needed a cigarette – I don’t care what Robert Gibbs says about the last 9 months.

      It also reminded me of the Ulsterman Insider’s report about how he would just get up and leave important meetings, leaving everyone in attendance flabbergasted.

    • sundancecracker says:

      Done. She got my vote. But looks like she’s getting pounded on this liberal poll. :(

      • DeniseVB says:

        That’s okay, she’s certainly using her celebrity for the good and bringing much attention to Rev Graham’s mission. Hopefully she’ll find out how all that aid was bungled as the Haitians are still not much better off after we helped them with gazillions in aid. That’s why the “compassionate” liberals are hating on her!

  16. sundancecracker says:

    New Research Shows That Conservatives Are Independent, Liberals Sheeple
    ….”It goes without saying that conservatives and liberals don’t see the world in the same way. Now, research from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln suggests that is exactly, and quite literally, the case.

    In a new study, UNL researchers measured both liberals’ and conservatives’ reaction to “gaze cues” — a person’s tendency to shift attention in a direction consistent with another person’s eye movements, even if it’s irrelevant to their current task — and found big differences between the two groups.

    Liberals responded strongly to the prompts, consistently moving their attention in the direction suggested to them by a face on a computer screen. Conservatives, on the other hand, did not.

    Why? Researchers suggested that conservatives’ value on personal autonomy might make them less likely to be influenced by others, and therefore less responsive to the visual prompts….”

    (full article)

  17. sundancecracker says:

    Barbwa WaWa and ABC guilty of selectively editing Sarah Palin interview? Gasp.. Never ! .. Ya think? (sarc)

  18. just a conservative girl says:

    Hey, I just checked in at Hillbuzz and there is post there about a note that was alledgedly given to Gov. Palin about a Palin/West ticket that she signed. I have two different signatures from Palin. One from her last book signing and one from the campaign. They don’t match.

    Just thought I would share.

    • yomotley says:

      Hey, GracieD, you want to help on this one? (There is a conversation going on with oldcrank, GracieD, and yomotley in thread )

      • GracieD says:

        Absolutely…I was standing there when she signed the sticky note. I posted this on the other thread, but I sent this picture to everyone whom I have emailed from my iPhone since 11/30, the date of the booksigning. I sent it to several people who have websites, including a childhood friend, HB, and, I thought I sent it to HoneyTrail as well. I had to resend to my childhood friend and my BGF, as it did not go through the first time. It looks like it went through to the gmail addys, and the .me addys. Apparently the .mil email extensions don’t like my iPhone either, I sent the sticky email to my cousin, who works in the Pentagon, and it did not go through to the .mil addy, but it did go through to his yahoo email. I do good to talk on my iPhone, so I have not a clue as to why emails would go to some and not others. I am just getting back within the past hour from the Apple Store, cause my iPhone went on the fritz. Actually, I have several angles of the same sticky note, if anyone wants to compare it. I will try to email them to Motley, since I originally sent the sticky note pic to HomryTrail (dang those fat fingers).

        • yomotley says:

          Here is link to pic if anyone wants to compare. You know how slick SP is. Maybe this was a “gotcha” moment and she mis-signed cuz not gonna get caught making a commitment pertaining to 2012. She does have a sense of humor.

          Who wrote “Run, Sarah, Run!” because the “s” is pretty much the same signature “s” in the autograph.
          Is this the pic of your sticky note or one KD made to represent your field report?

          • GracieD says:

            I wrote Run Sarah Run, and Palin/West 2012, and Sarah signed it. Actually, the “tail” on my “S” is longer thab Sarah’s. My handwriting tends to go straight up and down, where Sarah’s tends to lean toward the right. I emailed you a pic of Sarah’s signature in my book and on my sticky, for comparison.

          • GracieD says:

            ” Maybe this was a “gotcha” moment and she mis-signed cuz not gonna get caught making a commitment pertaining to 2012. She does have a sense of humor.”

            No “gotcha” moment, just letting her know that I support her, and want her to run. She seemed to get a kick out of it (she seemed amused for those not from Louisiana).

            • yomotley says:

              I mean a “gotcha moment” by SP. I saw a video clip recenty of SP signing books and she was moving so fast, not even looking, that there most likely is going to be a range in her sigs from book to book — and note to note.

              Whether SP signed her “real” sig or an on-the-spot sig, you had a great time, were clever with the note and palm writing, and you shared a nice report with everyone. (And out of the deal, you found out someone thinks you are his “good friend”.) Am I correct in surmising you didn’t expect all this extra drama?

            • GracieD says:

              You are absolutely correct, Motley. I hate drama, and just want everyone to be happy. Although I try to be a good friend to everyone I know, I was somewhat surprised by that description. The one word that those who know me well use to describe me is loyal.

              In Louisiana, people are always talking about Uncle Eddie, and his upcoming release, which leads to discusions of what he was sent to the Federal Pen for. I tend to stay out of those discussions, because the Uncle Eddie that I know is not the man who was convicted of corruption charges. That is not the man I have known my whole life.

    • yomotley says:

      Hey, Welcome Just a Conservative Girl!!!

    • sundancecracker says:

      Welcome Just a conservative girl. :) I think the picture on HB site is from GracieD. She gave a great field report after she attended a Sarah Palin book signing. Very exciting, and she shared a great recap.

      Good to see you. Hope all is well.

      • GracieD says:

        You’re right Sundance, I sent a pic of the sticky to lots of people from my iPhone. HB decided to share, and that is OK. Will take a pic of the sig in my book, which was signed immediately before she signed the sticky if that helps.

  19. sundancecracker says:

    Muslim Terrorists Meet German Engineering.

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