Tuesday Open Forum – December 28, 2010

Good Morning, Trail Hikers. C’mon in, hang your coat up, and stay awhile. Any of the Honey Family get socked with snow — lots of snow? I know it is a hassle, but I sure could use a nice snowstorm and be hunkered down for a few days. Some of my fondest memories include “the big ones” of snowstorms.

Stay warm and, Blessings

75 Responses to Tuesday Open Forum – December 28, 2010

  1. JRD says:

    Sarah Palin, Scoop Artist

    Her Beat on ‘Death Panels’ Is Confirmed by the Times


    • sundancecracker says:

      Sarah Palin has outlined and exposed some very controversial problems. As time marches forward her position(s) become more valid and begins to be proven factually correct. This is essentially because she is on the right side of the issue with her approach to “common sense” principles.

      Palin speaks the language of the majority. This is one of the reasons why she gains so much of the ire from the minority. She is inherently right.

  2. GracieD says:

    The only “big ones” I have experienced are Hurricanes. Katrina and Gustav being the most recent. 7 days without power for Katrina, same with Gustav. Only difference being hot vs cold. The last snow day we bad was 4 days before my mom passed. Her house was cold, and she refused to walk across the yard in the snow. Here is where you’llmsee why I married my hubby. He drove his truck across the yard to pick her up, brought her to our house, cranked up the generator and get her warm and cozy under an electric throw. Then he built us a fire. Snow in South Louisiana is as rare as hen’s teeth, so driving is scary! I can honestly say I am glad I live in the deep South!

  3. TNWAHM says:

    Biggest Conservative Names bidding goodbye to C-Pac.

    Poll asking is Conservatism splitting?

    What do you think honeys? What issues define Conservatism for you? Is Conservatism only about economic issues or is it also about “social” issues as well?

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I have never thought of conservative’s parameters as being determined by issues, social or economic. “Issues” are where “conservativism” is expressed; they don’t define it. Or, to put another way, issues are the canvas; they’re not the paint. Conservatism, IMHO, is a perspective, a POV, rooted in common sense, facts and truth.

      So, to answer your question, of course conservativism impacts social issues as well as economic. How could it not? If someone self-identifies as an economic conservative, but refuses the “label” (since they want to deal in labels) of social conservative, I actually don’t care that much. It just tells me they probably aren’t a conservative at heart and, at the same time, I’m grateful that they think conservative economics ideals make sense.

      The fool surveys and polls that pass as news and are used as leverage to distort the political and cultural landscape wouldn’t be as popular as they are if thinking people refused to participate in them. Although, it occurs to me, maybe that’s why alot of surveys have such strange bottom lines: maybe the thinking people aren’t participating in them. I don’t know if I dare call myself a thinking person, but I will not participate in any survey until the person asking the questions tells me who paid for it (so I know the slant of the questions)….so of course, I never participate in surveys, because the minute I ask them that question, they inform me that they can’t tell me that until I’ve answered the questions.

    • ZMalfoy says:

      I sorta agree with emmajeri1010, sorta not. To me, the whole essence of Conservatism, at least American Conservatism, is “Leave Me Alone, Leave Them Alone, And We’ll Leave You Alone, and All Will Be Well.” or “Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness”. Or “Listen, let us fix our troubles, you stay out of our way.”

      For instance, in fiscal policy, this means: “Stop taking my money at gunpoint, and I’ll stop protesting about the uses you put it to!”

      I think, socially, Conservatives went this way for a good amount of time, really, until Roe v. Wade. This, I theorize, is what created the Social Conservative movement, as we know it. Because, to the Conservative mind, it legalized the Murder of Innocents. It was the violation of the God -Given Right to Life, and thus Liberty, not to mention Pursuit of Happiness, of the little Innocents. This is something that goes deep in culture–> usually expressed in Judeo-Christian terms–> of protecting the vulnerable (Widows, orphans, the poor, the “Touched-by-theGods” insane, the sick, the pilgrim, the stranger/ exile, etc. . .). Suddenly, our government violated– and legally endored the violation of– the oldest pillar of our culture. No longer were the most helpless, the most vulnerable, to be defended. No, now they were to be killed for the sake of convinience.

      To the Conservative mind, this very thought is a horror. And so was born Soc Con. Other things then ended up getting tied into this, but I see them as mostly side issues, socially speaking. Certainly, all the other family-destroying policies like No-Fault Divorce strained society even more, adding more fuel to the SocCon fire, but I still believe that abortion is the center of it all. Stop murdering babies, the SocCons won’t have nearly as much fire. They’ll still have some, as all of JPII’s predictions in Humanae Vitae come true(shock!), but ending state-sanctioned murder of innocents will be a huge improvement.

      Those who would say they were FisCons but not SocCons are, as Emmajer1010 notes, not really Conservatives. They understand economics, but they don’t understand the ramifications of social matters. They don’t understand how single-parenthood, easy divorce, and abortion lead to the worsening cycle of poverty and to the degrating of women. [I am not saying that single mothers are “degraded or degrading”– rather that the overall acceptance of such a state as acceptable hurts women overall, and keeps more families than not in poverty. I admire those men and women who shoulder up to responsibility and care for their children with all they can. But the point is that they shouldn’t have to face it alone– where is the spouse? Oh, right, no need for a spouse. . .]

      That’s my take. I’m sure I’ve not articulated some things well, but that’s why we discuss things, right? ^___^

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Your highlighting of the problem with people not understanding the ramifications of the issues clarifies why, perhaps, the use of the phrase “social conservative” is helpful for teaching. I guess I just don’t like it because it ends up allowing progressives to act like the issues are the problem….so wagons get circled around issues, instead of understanding conservatism (which would solve the issues).

        It seems like we’re expected to drag people out of a burning house one room at a time, each room being a separate crisis~~instead of just yelling , “Everybody out! The house is on fire!”

      • Menagerie says:

        If we all lived as close to possible to these “common sense conservative” principles, where would the liberal progressives be? World wouldn’t have much use for them, it seems to me. Just living that life would solve so many problems that we make for ourselves.

    • PhillyCon says:

      Conservatism is usually considered the “three-legged stool” of national security hawks, social conservatives, and economic conservatives. Reagan melded all 3 strains nicely, and gave us 2 landslide elections, and also one for Bush Sr.

      For a Presidential candidate, all 3 “legs” need to included. This is why Mitch Daniels is taking so much heat over his “social issues truce,” b/c even bloggers like Allahpundit, who is not a socon, intrinsically know you need all 3 strains to defeat the Left.

      Remember, Rush’s axiom, “conservatism wins every time its articulated.” He probably means all 3, not 2 out 3, of 2 1/2 out of 3.

    • sundancecracker says:

      What do you think honeys? What issues define Conservatism for you? Is Conservatism only about economic issues or is it also about “social” issues as well?

      My answer to these questions are outlined in our first conversation. (follow link)

  4. NeeNee says:

    For your light-hearted moment of the day, watch this.

    We’re still in the Twelve Days of Christmas so I was heartened this
    morning with the uplifting strains of the Hallelujah Chorus.

    Because the schoolchildren of Kuinerrarmiut Elitnaurviat 5th Grade
    [and friends] in Quinhagak, Alaska, performed it, this also reminds

    us of the conservative, family values of our Sarah P!!

  5. NeeNee says:

    In the same spirit as Shalini’s “Achmed the Dead Terrorist”
    video yesterday, I offer
    “It’s in the Koran”, cribbed from the Moonbattery site.

    As a conservative, converted former muslim once said,
    “Ridicule & humor are two of the best weapons Islam

    is powerless to fight.”

    • NeeNee says:

      For some reason, this has been disabled. But if you click on the
      “watch on YouTube” link, it will pop up and begin to play
      after a few seconds.

      • NeeNee says:

        Now even clicking on the link doesn’t work.
        If you’re still curious, go directly to the Moonbat
        article . . .


        We need an EDIT KEY!!!!

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          No need to raise your voice.

          • JRD says:

            Maybe you could just explain to NeeNee how you highlight a word so she can emphasize it. At least by using capitals she got your attention. She did not raise her voice. I understood what she meant.

            • yomotley says:

              In an earlier post, on another thread, their was some banter between Emma and me about the caps. Ems said she was shouting because of the caps; I said she should have warned me so I could turn down the hearing aid — I guess we can take the banter between Emma and NeeNee as either confrontational or jesting. . . or a little of both. The good thing about here is we all are communicating and when their is confusion, we get back “up on the horse” and ride again together down the dusty road.

  6. GracieD says:

    I’m with Emma on this one. Conservatives need all the help we can get to destroy the Left. JMO: As far as the morality aspect, I know two things for sure. There is a God, and I’m not Him. Judging others is God’s job, not mine. Do I have opinions? Absolutely! I just know that I have way too much on my plate to stick my nose in other people’s business.

  7. AFinch says:

    Good morning Honeys!

    For all of you fine folks in the Indianapolis area, I just heard that Dana Loesch’s radio show, The Dana Show, is coming to WIBC from 3-4 p.m. after the first of the year. I’ve never heard her show, but I enjoy her writing. (She is Editor-in-Chief at Breitbart’s bigjounalism.com.) If you’re not in Indianapolis, you can livestream from your computer or smart phone at wibc.com.

    • sundancecracker says:

      That is great. Dana Loesch is a frilliant conservative voice.

    • Kristi says:

      That is awesome!

      When I am out and about.. WIBC always picks up pretty much anywhere I am.
      I usually listen to Dennis Miller (1430 am) .. but only if I am in Indy.. it doesnt pick up anywhere else!

  8. sundancecracker says:

    American voters believe free market competition will protect Internet users more than government regulation and fear that regulation will be used to push a political agenda.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 21% of Likely U.S. Voters want the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to regulate the Internet as it does radio and television. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed to such regulation, and 25% are not sure.


  9. sundancecracker says:

    This is not good…..

    ……The U.S. Government Accountability Office said it could not render an opinion on the 2010 consolidated financial statements of the federal government, because of widespread material internal control weaknesses, significant uncertainties, and other limitations.

    “Even though significant progress has been made since the enactment of key financial management reforms in the 1990s, our report on the U.S. government’s consolidated financial statement illustrates that much work remains to be done to improve federal financial management,” Acting Comptroller General Gene Dodaro said in a statement. “Shortcomings in three areas again prevented us from expressing an opinion on the accrual-based financial statements.”


  10. sundancecracker says:

    Oh noes, … da jooos are watching…

    ….. Iran on Tuesday hanged an Iranian convicted of spying for the country’s archenemy Israel, the official IRNA news agency reported.

    Ali Akbar Siadati had been accused of providing Israel with classified information on Iran’s military capabilities, including details about military maneuvers, bases, operational jet fighters, military flights, air crashes and missiles, IRNA reported.

  11. sundancecracker says:

    The former president of Shell Oil is predicting $5/gallon gas by the summer of 2012, which should do wonders for “the middle class”.
    In 2008 President Bush used his bully pulpit to cajole the Democrat-controlled Congress into expanding oil drilling. The Democrats refused.

    After the BP spill, the Obama administration used the crisis to lock down even more drilling, going so far as to lie about a panel of experts’ decision to continue a drilling moratorium. The federal Judge hearing the case called the administration’s claims “untrue” and “misleading”.

    The net result is that the United States is the only country on Earth that restricts access to its own abundant energy resources. I wonder how high gas prices have to get before Democrats are smashed into oblivion — politically, of course — leaving them a footnote to history akin to the Whig Party.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      It went over $3/gal the last day or so here. It’s been working its way up for a month…kept wondering when it would break $3.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        oh, btw, so is heating fuel. We had 100 gallons delivered last week~~$300. That’s enough for one (winter normal cold) month. Heating oil is fast becoming a luxury.

  12. moe2004 says:

    I’m so happyI finally found you all, Merry Christmas too. Not the best at Google, but I kept trying knowing some how I’d find you. Back to reading and catching up.

  13. TNWAHM says:

    Another on Herman Cain. This one making the case for him running with Sarah Palin. Oh, wouldn’t the heads explode on that one. Can’t wait!

  14. sundancecracker says:

    Remember all that TARP money to ‘save da banks’…… Money well spent, eh?
    Nearly 100 U.S. banks that got bailout funds from the federal government show signs they are in jeopardy of failing.

    The total, based on an analysis of third-quarter financial results by The Wall Street Journal, is up from 86 in the second quarter, reflecting eroding capital levels, a pileup of bad loans and warnings from regulators. The 98 banks in shaky condition got more than $4.2 billion in infusions from the Treasury Department under the Troubled Asset Relief Program. …

  15. sundancecracker says:

    MSNBC Heart-Broken Over Congress Being Kennedy-Free For First Time in 63 Years, Runs 3 Segments in One Hour… While the rest of America might not be mourning the departure of the troubled Patrick Kennedy from Congress, MSNBC on Tuesday lamented “the end of an era” that saw at least one member of the Kennedy family serving in Washington for 63 years. The network featured three segments on the topic in the span of an hour.

    Jansing and Co. Guest anchor Richard Lui wondered, “…Will we see a family that will be able to take up the mantle here?” Talking to Democratic strategist Karen Finney, he repeated talking points from the Rhode Island Congressman who, in 2006, crashed his car while driving under the influence of prescription drugs at 2:45am: “…Patrick Kennedy was saying, you know, a public service versus public office. It’s about public service.”

    Errr….. Because having fewer degenerates in Congress is a bad thing…

    • sundancecracker says:

      During the Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) tenure as speaker, which commenced on Jan. 4, 2007, the federal government has run up $5.177 trillion in new debt. That is about equal to the total debt the federal government accumulated in the first 220 years of the nation’s existence, with the federal debt rising from $5.173 trillion on July 23, 1996 to $5.181 trillion on July 24, 1996.

      In her inaugural address as speaker, Pelosi vowed that Congress would engage in no new deficit spending.

  16. sundancecracker says:

    A DADT parody?….. NOT FUNNY !!!

  17. WeeWeed says:

    Any of youse guys heard from Integrity1st lately?

    • Integrity1st says:

      Hi WeeWeed, thanks for asking. Been missing you all. Not much time, and yes a bad day at court just days before Christmas. Even worse, the elderly woman who came with to support me – – – FELL outside the courthouse because none of the sidewalks were cleared. Broke arm, bruised ribs, black eye, huge wound on leg, just horrible! Court in morning, emergency room at noon, back to court, and pickup at emergency room around 6 that evening. Not a great Christmas but I am determined to make this the BEST new year EVER beginning with seeing one of the most corrupt of all those who were behind this ten year nightmare GO TO JAIL =)

      • WeeWeed says:

        THERE you are! I was almost worried, but hoped the holidays had merely kept you busy!! Did the snowmagedon get your part of the world, too?

  18. sundancecracker says:

    In 2010 Fox News Had More Total Viewers Than MSNBC, CNN, And HLN COMBINED

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/in-2010-fox-news-had-more-total-viewers-than-msnbc-cnn-and-hln-combined-2010-12#ixzz19TVsHHgx

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