Wednesday Open Forum — January 12, 2011

Bright Morning!

“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.” -Thomas Paine, Common Sense

Come on in and share your “i-dearz”. Blessings.

232 Responses to Wednesday Open Forum — January 12, 2011

  1. WeeWeed says:

    Good Morning Honeys. Hope the snow isn’t slowing any of you down.

  2. AFinch says:

    Good morning Honeys.

    A week into the 112th Congress and I have already had more communications from Rep. West than I had from my own representative all last year. My favorite quote from his first weekly update relates to the sight of a democrat congressman applying make-up to himself in the rotunda for a tv appearance: “If anyone ever sees me applying makeup to myself, you have explicit orders to ask a Capitol Hill Police Officer to arrest me. ” Go West! I wish we had about 400 more of him in D.C.

    • JRD says:

      Yeah, and Chris Collizza of WaPo is on a one man mission to write an article every 10 days of what an EXTREMIST West is and how he is the MOST vulnerable and will NOT get re-elected because he is out of the mainstream. West is who the media is targeting, more than anyone else, because he has the potential to change the black community from democrats to conservatives. The blacks are Christians, God is important to them. They can identify with West’s life’s experience. That scares the living “you know what” out of the marxist POS.

      Those of you who reside in Fl-22 are the only ones who are well aware of how despicable the progressives were here and what a dirty campaign they ran. Well, just like good marxists they haven’t let up and have doubled down.

      God forgive me but, a pox on all of them. They are truly EVIL.

    • NotAMolly says:

      Justin Amash is another such congressman. Glad he represents my district (took over from Ehlers).

  3. Where I live we have about half a foot of fresh ‘globull warming’ over night (school cancelled…and fortunately, this is my day off) but…I have to ask, why did WordPress decide to take our snowfall away???

    I still want to learn where all of the cyber accumulation went???

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      the cyber snowplows remove it every night when no one is looking ;)

    • AliRose says:

      It said under settings that it would only be available under Jan. 4, but it should come back next year.

      I guess it’s just to celebrate the Christmas season…not winter. Oooooooooooh…somebody better warn them before the hatemail starts piling in!

    • NeeNee says:

      About two weeks ago, the “snow” was really heavy;

      on my computer, anyway.

      Curious thing I noticed at that time:
      on my first visit to HB in several weeks,
      it was “snowing”, too!
      So it made me wonder if some of the HB regulars
      “visit” HoneyTrail, and thus “tracked in”
      over at HB!

      Haven’t seen any precip lately, though.

  4. Kristi says:

    Sarah Palin put out a video and written statement…

    Its on her facebook page.

  5. Auntie Lib says:

    ‘Morning, All!

    Got to get going early today, but had to stop here first. Have a great one today, everybody!

  6. AFinch says:

    From Andrew Breitbart (h/t C4P):

    “And to the gutless GOP establishment who watches in silence the blood libel against @SarahPalinUSA. We will remember. #TeaParty”

    The man speaks the truth.

  7. GracieD says:

    This is what is on my mind this morning:

    “Fear not [there is nothing to fear], for I am with you…I will help you; yes, I will hold you up and retain you with My [victorious] right hand…”
    (Isaiah 41:10, AMP)

    Every time I find myself getting anxious about this Country, and the situation that the politicians have put us in, (we allowed it, by not paying proper attention, IMO) I read this scripture, and remember that God has this situation well in hand. I also ask Him to tell me what he wants me to do. Since I am somewhat hard-headed, I usually ask for specifics. :D

    • Library Countess says:

      An excellent reminder, Gracie… it’s so easy to get caught up in the fear-mongering (and stoopidity) of the left…

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Good time for this amazing encouragement from the God of the universe. He knows. Let us always remember, He knows. I also find it enjoyable to remember that this is promise was specifically given to the Jews, and it will be fulfilled for the Jews specifically, as well as for us generally (because it describes what God is LIKE in His dealings with those who trust Him).

  8. Bijou says:

    ‘Morning, Honeys! I hope everybody is cozy and warm somewhere and not out on the roads.
    I haven’t had time to read the posts yet, and am ‘flying’. Have to go and dig out my car and driveway.
    Just wanted to post this. (Apologies if it’s already been posted.)
    It’s brilliant and strikes just the right tone. I love her new term, “Blood Libel”.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      I agree with the term “blood libel”. She and others (including Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, etc.) are essentially being called accessories to murder when they had nothing to do with anything that this nuthatch did.

    • Library Countess says:

      I also agree… as usual she’s done an excellent job in assessing the situation. I am hopeful that more and more people will have their eyes opened to the tactics of the left.

    • AFinch says:

      So, now she is being criticized for using “blood libel”–a phrase used to describe a unique type of anti-Semitism and with very specific meaning in the Jewish community. Do we have any Jewish folks in the audience who can weigh in?

      • Amsterdam Expat says:

        Of course the term has a very specific meaning in that context, and, obviously, a very long sad history behind it — and in front of it too, unfortunately, as any glance at international affairs, or if that’s too much work for the geniuses on 43rd Street, merely across town to the UN, will reveal. But that seems to be too much to ask from the New York Times — they only have so much time and energy to apportion in their journolism, blame it on Palin — so it seems we’ll have to be satisfied with a verbal reminder of the importance to Jews of mere terminology in a context where it’s of no relevance at all.

        And they call her stupid …

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        In the top of the hour news this morning, there was a reference to Congresswoman Giffords being Jewish.

    • JRD says:

      Doesn’t she look very PRESIDENTIAL!
      The lying media’s knickers are certainly going to be in a twist this evening.

      “I’m melting, I’m melting, I’ll get you my little pretty.”

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        And Gollum……”preshshshscious…… preshhhhhious….” greedily grasping, desperately coveting, deeply hating all that prevents the grasping of the coveted thing

  9. yomotley says:

    Probably old news, but can’t hurt to post again for those that have not seen.
    Looks like Democratic Congressional Campaign Committe used target and a map, too. Shame on them!

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      And they used bullseyes! The horror of it all!

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Just read the ridiculous comments at that article. Many of them are trying to say that the bullseyes are not the same thing. Are you kidding me? They are exactly the same thing.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Funny how MSNBC keeps leaving out the Dem “targets” in their hateful reports :(

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        This deception has value for the simple reason there are still considerable numbers of Americans willing to be deceived. Paying attention to the truth takes energy and thought. Many Americans don’t want to be bothered.

        • DeniseVB says:

          And frustrating to discuss politics with their viewers (MSNBC). When someone says “Sarah’s too dumb…”, I ask them for a specific reason they think that. Then they get mad at me for being a “right wingnut”. Heh, I win ;)

  10. yomotley says:

    From “Russia Today”

  11. Patriot Dreamer says:

    I think this link might be posted in another thread, but now Chrissy Matthews is now calling out Mark Levin and Michael Savage:

    • Library Countess says:

      Chrissy is such a girl (and I apologize for insulting girls)… :D

    • JRD says:

      MSNBC is only the White House propaganda machine. Jeffrey Immelt the CEO of GE who owns MSNBC ran the company into the ground and desperately needs O-Dumb-0′s crony capitalism and green agenda to survive. Little prissy Chrissy, Madcow, Doberman and everyone else ceases to get a flippin paycheck if GE goes out of business. MSNBC should not be able to report on political news without a disclaimer. We the people should bring suit against GE.


    • AFinch says: defines “cross hairs” as

      1. fine wires or fibers, strands of spider web, or the like, crossing in a focal plane of an optical instrument to center a target or object or to define a line of sight.
      2. marks for aiding in the positioning of overlaying images for correct registration in printing. Compare register ( def. 11b ) .

      So I guess according to this literal definition, the marks on Palin’s map might correctly be called cross hairs. But of course, critics want to associate that phrase with violent imagry to promote the meme that Palin’s map fomented violence. We’ve already discussed repeatedly how the map marks are not consistent with shooting imagry, but fine, let’s play their game.

      What other “cross hairs” do you use in your everyday lives? Any hikers or orienteering specialists out there? Graphic artists? Photographers? Sailors? Coaches? Physicians? Architects? Engineers?

      • NeeNee says:

        Haven’t work graphic arts since 1984,
        but I think the process is still the same.
        We used to “cut” color for the printing process.
        Big color graphic photos/artwork came from
        the company with multiple layers of sheets.

        One was black, one red, one blue, one yellow,
        one green, etc. On each labeled sheet was the
        “target” registration mark that looked kind of
        like a Celtic cross. You had to line each color up
        in succession, overlay & tape down .
        Even today when you see a color
        ad or photo that’s blurry or has color that’s off,

        it certainly can be a registration problem.
        As I recall, it can also be the guy running the
        big press that prints news sheets.

        • Bijou says:

          NeeNee, I worked with printers for many years and that was definitely part of the old ‘offset’ printing process.
          The printer would get a ‘colour key’ which was a set of four layers of acetate, each one representing one of the four colours that made up the printing process.
          They were C (cyan) M (magenta) Y (yellow) and K (black). The colour key and the film from which it was made had ‘registration marks’ that had to be in perfect alignment in order for the presses to produce crisp four-colour reproduction. And you’re right. In spite of all the prelimin work, if the pressman wasn’t on the ball, the whole thing could break down.

      • violet says:

        My husband is an architect and structural engineer. In his profession they use those marks all the time.

  12. yomotley says:

    Anything having to do with the housing industy by Dems makes me thing “Acorn”. Sorry, can’t help myself. So, is this company have ties to our Star-Sheriff-of-the-Week, Dupnik?

    Dupnik Construction
    10342 E Calle Magdalena
    Tucson, AZ 85748-6802


    (520) 885-8540

  13. Patriot Dreamer says:

    When did Sarah’s PAC remove the map? Anybody know?

    • Library Countess says:

      It was removed right around the time of the shooting. A spokesperson said that it should have been removed after the election in November and wasn’t; the timing was unfortunate.

  14. Library Countess says:

    Need some advice from my fellow hikers: I’m debating about signing up for either Rush Limbaugh’s or Glenn Beck’s “members only” access. I’m wondering if any of you have done that, and what you think (positive or negative).

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Glenn had a period of time a few months ago where he had free access to his “insider extreme”. It’s kind of cool to be able to see them while they are talking, and they also have some extra content (videos on various topics). I liked it, but I am too cheap to pay for it on an ongoing basis.

    • AFinch says:

      I signed up for Rush’s 24/7 membership about 6 months ago and really like it. I’m rarely able to listen to the show live and 24/7 allows me to podcast it without commercials. Plus now they have an iTunes app for the iPhone and iPad that allows you to livestream it from one of those devices or listen to the audio later, complete with bumber music and parodies.

      Can’t comment on Beck.

    • NeeNee says:

      Glenn’s site had a redesign over the Christmas holidays.
      Initially, it wasn’t as easy to navigate as the old one, IMO.
      I’ve been an insider since shortly after 9/11.
      He used to do the “fourth hour” or the “AftertheShowShow”.
      It would go anywhere from 5-10 minutes, or sometimes
      a whole hour! And it was free. After Pat Grey came on board,

      they renamed it “Insider Extreme” and it’s an extra $10 a
      year more than the old rates. Glenn is rarely on IS, it’s
      always just Pat & Stu and is usually fluff. For me, a little
      of Pat sometimes goes a long way—depends on my mood.

      Rush’s site is much more user friendly, IMO.
      And I like, too, that he now includes the bumper music
      parodies that formerly weren’t included in the delayed
      broadcast subscription.

      Depends on your personal schedule, Countess.
      I listen to Rush live from 11-2 CST through Rush 24/7
      on the computer, and catch Glenn’s
      around 2:30 on the Insider. Oh, and I used to subscribe
      to Fusion (the monthly Beck newsletter). But it was getting
      pricey, and again from a graphic arts point of view, it was
      very hard on the eyes. I sent them an email saying that
      use of small type, too many “scripty” fonts and too much
      color was making it equivalent to having ‘a 5-pound chicken

      lay a 10-pound egg’! They did improve it, but it just never
      clicked for me. Whereas, I have subscribed to the Limbaugh
      Letter since 1992 and have all the back issues. He, too, has
      some design issues once in awhile, but on the whole it’s
      superior to Beck’s Fusion. Hope this info helps you decide!

    • GracieD says:

      LC, it depends on what you want out of it. I am both an Extreme member and a 24/7 member. Glenn’s site has a wider variety of information. I Love Rush’s site as well. I would be hard pressed to choose between them. Since I am a history nerd, I love Beck University! The stack of stuff is without equal!

  15. yomotley says:

    Anyone want to read this and analyze or figure out what it is/means

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Looks like Michael Cooper got arrested back in 1986 as a suspect as the “Prime Time Rapist”. After his arrest, he requested to talk with an attorney several times, and the Pima County/Tucson Police Department denied him this right and continued to interrogate him anyway. As a result of the publicity surrounding this case, Cooper and his family were evicted from their apartment. They tried to sue using 42 United States Code section 1983, which is part of Civil Rights law and is intended to provide a private remedy for violations of federal rights.

      I didn’t spend a whole lot of time reading this case, but it looks like the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said that Dupnik and other officials were protected by “qualified immunity” in this case. Pretty good dissent starting at paragraph 74.

      • integrity1st says:

        OMG Patriot. I was preparing an analysis and it came out four times longer than your astute summary. I have lived this for ten years now so I definately need your abilities to consolidate what I was taking four times the length to do. Will you, can you be my editor for my 1983 action. You totally nailed what went on except to say:
        The conclusion was that the lower courts decision, which was in the Plaintiffs’ favor was: “AFFIRMED IN PART, REVERSED IN PART . . .” So after winning one leg on the way to trial, where all could be lost, he just lost a piece of the leg. Always interesting is the dessenting opinion which can be read by scrolling down and just reading #74 – 82 for a good summary, but here is that conclusion: Due process was violated when Barkman and his associates consciously put their professional goal of apprehending a criminal above the larger requirements of our law. The district court should be affirmed.

  16. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Angry Passenger Talks About Why Flight Crew Called Cops on Arianna Huffington

  17. PhillyCon says:

    Doc Zero already has a column on Palin’s statement:

    Her condemnation of the leftist media for manufacturing a “blood libel,” within hours of the shootings, is absolutely searing. “We need strength not to let the random acts of a criminal turn us against ourselves, or weaken our solid foundation… or provide a pretext to stifle debate. America must be stronger than the evil we saw displayed last week. We are better than the mindless finger-pointing we endured, in the wake of the tragedy. We will come out of this stronger, and more united, in our desire to peacefully engage in the debates of our time, to respectfully embrace our differences in a positive manner, and to unite in our knowledge that, although our ideas may be different, we must all strive for a better future for our country. Yes, may God bless America.”

    Thus does Sarah Palin shame those who tried to put her in the parking lot of that Tucson grocery store, when gunshots rang out. There is no question who they are – we have hours of videotape from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC, plus stacks of rotting paper from liberal newspapers, clearly identifying the people Palin destroyed with this video. You lose, liberals.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Love him. But this will make the Left hate her more, they just don’t know how to do or feel anything else :(

    • PhillyCon says:

      True, to some extent. They already despise her, call for her death, move in next door, attack her children, hack into her private e-mail, hound her every move (all this before the AZ shooting), and just recently, accuse of accessory to murder … so, I don’t see how they can top it.

      As evidenced on Chris Matthews last night, Palin keeping quiet doesn’t stop the hate.

      I don’t try to understand irrational hatred like that…. and I know no matter what she does, they will never stop. As I said earlier, they don’t hate Palin per se, they hate what she represents: conservative America. This is their ultimate target, the Left wants unfettered rule (very LOTRish in my opinion).

      • garnette says:

        I’m really starting to believe that it is liberal men who act like they support women’s equality but deep down really hate women having a target to spew that hate on while acting like they support women’s equality because it is conservative women who they are doing it to. It isn’t just the ones on tv that are doing this, it was seeing some liberal men’s posting about Sarah on their facebook pages that led me to this belief.

  18. DeniseVB says:

    Honeys! This will make your day: Cable News Ratings for Monday

    People just aren’t watching the blood libel doom and gloom channels on the first full regular news day after the Tucson murders.

  19. JRD says:

    Tragedy: Dennis Kucinich may lose his seat to redistricting

    ‘d like to say that it couldn’t happen to a nicer fellow but that would be stretching the point beyond breaking. The communist POS.

    Now if we could only get rid of commie Wasserman-Lipshitz in Florida!

  20. What a perfect day to catch up on laundry and pay some bills!

    Too bad I’m doing exactly NONE of that. Uncle Maury comes back on at noon.

  21. French Reader says:

    Among the turmoil of the last few days in Arizona, has anyone noticed how your president is using his position to create chaos (in my opinion) ?

    I saw a video of the French president Sarkozy meeting your president and how Obama describes France as America’s strongest friend and strongest ally ? Why does he say this ? I think Obama says it only to infuriate people everywhere. And how it works !

    Obama does not believe a single word he says, Sarkozy does not either.

    But : Conservatives in the US do not agree, for them, the English are supposed to be America’s best friend and ally.

    Conservatives in France are mad because they don’t like Obama, the Left in France is mad and they can criticize Sarkozy for being an ally to the US.

    I believe that this is a way of creating crisis everywhere.

    And it will not make the position of France in the muslim world any easier. Two young french men have been murdered by muslims in Niger last week. A very old man was murdered some months ago in the same area. Five other people are still detained there by al quaïda. What is going to happen to them if France is America’s best buddy ?

    I may be paranoid but I feel uncomfortable with Obama’s great appraisal of my country …

    • yomotley says:

      It makes sense that Obama would try to create chaos on a world scale since he was really elected by the efforts and money of foreigners and, I am convinced, was high up in the World Communist or Socialist Party. Remember, he went to Europe to campaign to president in the US.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      I was thinking of O’s remarks more in terms of his personal pique and jealousy relative to the British royals on the one hand, the first couple of France on the other. But your comment is a very good reminder that he may have intended to stir up much more far-reaching trouble with it.

      Merci! And please, feel free to apply some choice French curses to notre President honteuse — he amply deserves them!

      • French Reader says:

        @A’dam Expat

        I may be wrong but it seems to me alot more vicious than plain jealousy.

        • WeeWeed says:

          FR, I do believe he’s vicious enough but he’s not clever enough to have orchestrated the overall chaos. His handler had to have thought that out – he doesn’t have the horsepower. I’m glad Pres. Sarkozy’s onto him, too!

        • Amsterdam Expat says:

          Yes it is — but there may be an element of simple jealousy involved, given that the Sarkozy and Bruni were invited to the wedding, while he and Michelle were not. Or perhaps it’d be better described as envy which O is attempting to hide by ostentatiously snubbing the Brits but which shines through anyhow.

          Mais que sais-je?

      • integrity1st says:

        Some general observations:

        1- He has been creating chaos well before getting into the WH, him being POTUS lending more cloat to it.

        2- I am so unaware of the things pointed out by French Reader and the rest of you, it scares me for what so many others are so oblivious to.

        3- It leads me to believe that a big part of what we can be doing to create more awareness of many of the things we discuss on this site is to bring more people over here. Hate to break up this very cozy group, but the bigger goal is to save our country and wake people up, and I think we should strategize on how we can best get people who sit on the sidelines to come here, embrace us or the views expressed, (either will be a plus), and learn at the same time. I’m feeling a desparate urge to share these valuable insights, and a frustration in knowing too few people know a lot of what is discussed at Honeytrails.

        • yomotley says:

          One way to bring more into the mix is to link an article from here elsewhere that is talking the same thing. Here a link, there a link, and every so often someone stays around to comment. If you come here with a link to an article, go back there and mention you left a link here. My, that is a tongue twister, for sure!

          Also, throw in a link to an article on a facebook status — until your lib or non-political friends de-friend you.

          • Integrity1st says:

            On the second suggestion, forgetaboutit. Just kidding, but I can tell you this. Most of my friends are activists and are usually fighting more local issues with avengence, (and getting nowhere I might add, the corruption being so insurmountable). But they are certainly in the same camp on the broader issues, so there’s no work involved there. But man, when a lib/future ex-friend responds to one of my infrequent posts, it is the most draining, unpleasant thing, and as you probably already know – a collosel waste of time, though I futilely pursue it to its foregone conclusion.

            I’m trying to think of ways to pull in the sideline people, who haven’t formed strong opinions, and wake them up to get them interest in, and in to action. I believe those people could be brought around if only because they aren’t already corrupted and brainwashed by the likes of Huffington Post. I believe if we actually scoped those people out, and drew them in, it would have the most impact for 2012 and beyond. I also think if we start now, instead of the heated up campaign timeframe, they will choose their candidates readily and enthusiastically because they’ve become emmersed in the process by then, likely enough so to actually work for the good of the country. Them are who I want to ’round up, but not so easy, because they aren’t even on these type of sites to lure over.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Isn’t it interesting that normal people don’t want the world to think of them as “friends of obama.” Sort of sounds like the dicey relationships that might have existed in a mafia-run neighborhood in Chicago during the 20′s.

    • NeeNee says:

      Bienvenu, French reader!

      It’s always good to have input from someone who doesn’t
      reside on American soil. And you are not paranoid,
      just perceptive!

    • Bijou says:

      Some think that Obama DOES genuinely hate and resent the British, because of his upbringing.

      He was indoctrinated about British colonialism and the persecution of his Kenyan elders. That would explain a lot.

      • sundancecracker says:

        Bijou, I havn’t had time to read the article yet, but I agree with that assertion completely. Obama “Hates” Great Britian based on British Colonial history and his families association with such.

    • GracieD says:

      Hi F.R. I guess this means you do not want to take him off our hands. Many here do not like him any more than you do.

      • JRD says:

        French Reader, Dumb-0 was schooled for years by Saul Alyinsky’s socialist disciples in “community terrorizing.” His sole occupation upon graduating from that institution was “community terrorizer.” It’s not too difficult to transition to a “global terrorizer” once you become POTUS.

      • NeeNee says:

        Okay, Gracie . . you know how Napoleon
        was exiled to the island of Elba.
        If we had to choose an exile for Benito,
        where would it be??

        For him, Palin’s Alaska would be hell on
        earth, but it wouldn’t be fair to Sarah. So

        I think isolation in the Yukon Territory
        is more like it. He would be put to work
        erecting a fence to keep him apart from
        any Eskimos who happen to reside in
        such a remote area.

        Since he’s used to tropical climes like Hawaii,
        Indonesia and Africa, constant cold would be
        a greater punishment—and also, a poetic
        justice background to reflect on the reality that

        Globull Warming doesn’t exist!

        • Pat P says:

          Yukon is Canadian territory. Couldn’t we send him to one of the Aleutian islands between Alaska and Russia? That way, Sarah wouldn’t be bothered.

          • NeeNee says:

            I know Yukon is Canadian,
            but if they’d take him, we could
            consider it payback for all the
            healthcare we’ve provided to
            Canadians over the decades!

            Back in the late ’60s,
            Hubby spent 18 months at a
            Naval Air Station on Adak,

            one of the Aleutians. He says it had
            more goony birds than women.
            And damn cold with the exception of
            their short summer . . .

            • JRD says:

              Could he see his commie friends in Russia from there?

            • Pat P says:

              My brother was stationed at Adak at the beginning of his tour of duty during WWII.

            • Bijou says:

              Ixnay, ixnay!!!
              NeeNee, we don’t want him!
              And about that healthcare thing, Canadians always pay their way when they have to go to the US for procedures.
              Just consider it our bit in helping stimulate your economy. LOL!

        • WeeWeed says:

          He can go be a tin-pot dictator in Kenya, since he loves it and his buddy Ogabe so much.

        • GracieD says:

          I would like to see him sent to a very hot island with NO A/C!

          There are a few uninhabited islands off our coast. I suppose that would do, provided he be required to stay through any and all Hurricanes. :D

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Forgot the title:

      “Massacre, followed by libel”

    • JRD says:

      The origins of Loughner’s delusions are clear: mental illness. What are the origins of Krugman’s?

      The same mental illness. Krugman is seriously ill. It is not funny nor, is anyone being sarcastic any longer. It is time for Krugman to be relieved of his duties and seriously to see a shrink. He is delusional. It is no laughing matter. In all honesty I do believe that Krugman has the potential to seriously harm people. There I said it.

      And I still don’t forgive you Krauthammer.

    • violet says:

      That was excellent. I forwarded it to a whole bunch of people.

      (I know many of my fellow hikers are not fans of Dr. K., but this column is outstanding and well worth your time.)

    • PhillyCon says:

      Great comment over at HotAir (besides most them calling Clyburn sexist)

      The “rhetoric similar to the civil rights era” is quickly becoming a new Godwin’s law

      MayBee on January 12, 2011 at 11:49 AM

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      How much you wanna bet he’s lunch buddies with the guy that worries about Guam tipping over? These pieces o’ work really shouldn’t try to participate in a battle of words that requires intellectual prowess…it’s a given that they will show up unarmed.

      • WeeWeed says:

        bwaaahaaaahaaa! Lord, anymore just the word “Guam” will set me off as I think of all these intellectual giants….

    • JRD says:

      If anyone just doesn’t get it it’s you. You are a flippin idiot that doesn’t even have 2 brain cells and if it wasn’t for Affirmative Action and white guilt you would never be where you are. It’s a crying shame for the black race that you have the position that you do when there are role models like Herman Cain and Allen West who can lift your people up.

  22. Patriot Dreamer says:

    More from the shooter:

    Postings of a Troubled Mind
    Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women

  23. yomotley says:

    This relates to Emma’s Maiboxes an Yalta — That really sparked an interest for me and just now I found this (have not read it). It is a three part series.

    And, I think some of you are gonna like this lady

  24. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’

    From this morning’s “Good Morning America”.

    “He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.”

  25. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Lebanon’s unity government collapses as Hezbollah, allies quit

  26. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Neal Boortz on

    Sarah Palin’s Map

    Excellent rebuttal, especially page 2.

  27. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Loughner Fled Dad before Attack; Notes Detailed

    Suspect in Tucson Rampage Ran into Desert Carrying Mysterious Black Bag; “Die Bitch” among Handwritten Notes Found

  28. Patriot Dreamer says:

  29. AFinch says:

    OUr illustrious Secretary of STate throws Americans under the bus again. Compares Arizona massacre with 9/11 attacks:

  30. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Sheriff Dupnik keeps shooting himself in the foot, if you’ll excuse the irresponsibly violent rhetoric

    • AFinch says:

      According to one of the updates, The Pima County Sheriffs Dept and Pima Community College are refusing to release documents/information about Loughner’s. Where have I seen this move before?

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I love the comment comparing him to Roscoe P. Coltrane. I’d forgotten about that buffoon.






      (just wanted to get my endorphins up)

  31. Patriot Dreamer says:

    [Vermont Senator Bernie] Sanders Fundraises Off Arizona Murders

  32. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Exclusive: Alan Dershowitz Defends Sarah Palin’s Use of Term ‘Blood Libel’

    • AFinch says:

      Only Moses himself could have provided a better defense, no?

    • Pat P says:

      It is good that some on the left realize that baseless accusations are counter- productive.

      Reading the comments regarding this piece remind me, more than ever, how fortunate we are to have the fine community that is Honey Trail. May it continue, and prosper!

  33. NeeNee says:

    As if we didn’t know how the stats would turn out . . .

    From LiveLeaks:

    The 2010 statistics are in regarding
    the results of intrusive searches by Big Sis’s TSA:

    Terrorist Plots Discovered 0
    Transvestites 133
    Hernias 1,485
    Hemorrhoid Cases 3,172
    Incontinence 6,418
    Enlarged Prostates 8,249

    Breast Implants 59,350
    Natural Blondes 3

  34. AFinch says:

    From Big Journalism:

    “As I watched tweets and articles that poured in yesterday during the aftermath of the Giffords shooting, I was so frustrated I wanted to scream, to act out. . . . . I didn’t feel this because of some secret racial code word from Sarah Palin; my anger was caused by the lying, smearing, smug, condescending crap spouted by slimy partisans who blamed us for the actions of a mentally unstable man and couldn’t put aside politics for one tragic day. It was the same anger I felt when Charlie Gibson lied through his teeth, claiming ignorance about Big Government’s ACORN videos when the federal census had dropped ties with the organization the night before. It was the same anger I felt when the LA Times said that uploading their video of Obama toasting the virulent anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi was irrelevant to the ’08 campaign when they had already hosted a video of Sarah Palin strutting in a swimsuit for a 1984 beauty pageant.”

  35. violet says:

    A mother explains why insults and abuse are actually GOOD for children:

    • Debra says:

      I read that too, Violet. It’s so contrary to my parenting style! There were a few things I liked about the article – the idea of helping your kids do hard things (but good God, I personally wouldn’t do it the way the author did it!) and assuming your kids are tough instead of fragile (but I don’t think berating is okay!!). It was an interesting read, I’ll say that. I wonder how being raised in that environment would affect someone’s view of God? It just made me wonder what obstacles missionaries in China have to overcome if that really is how kids are raised there.

      • violet says:

        It made me really sad, Debra. I feel sorry for the kids who are raised that way, even though outwardly they seem to be successful. This woman’s philosophy of mothering seems geared toward producing little robots who get straight As and otherwise do exactly what you, the mother, think they should do — in this case, play the piano and violin (but not, God forbid, the flute or guitar or french horn) proficiently. Since her two girls get nothing but As in school and play piano and violin like pros, she feels vindicated for her methods. But what if one of those girls would rather have been a dancer? Or a figure skater? Or a poet? Or a novelist? Sorry, kids — mother knows better than you do what you should do with your life.

        I took the exact opposite approach. I observed my kids closely when they were little to see what their interests and talents were, then encouraged them in those as much as I could, given our very tight budget. My firstborn was an artist, so I bought her the very best art supplies we could afford. The second child was a builder, so we invested in blocks and legos when he was little, then in good quality tools when he got older. The third was a musician, so we bought her the instruments she wanted and hired teachers for her. The fourth was a dancer/singer/actress, so we invested in dance classes and voice lessons drama programs for her. This made more sense to me than for me to decide what I thought they ought to be, then bully and intimidate and shame them into it.

        I read some of the comments some readers left on the WSJ site, and they were very interesting. One noted the high suicide rate among Asian teenagers and attributed it to parents who have impossibly high expectations and who hit the roof every time their kids fall short (e.g., bring home an A minus instead of an A). Another said that his mother raised him the way this mother is raising her kids, and as a result he grew up with zero social skills. When he got to college, he had no idea how to carry on a conversation with his peers or ask a girl out on a date. He felt like a complete misfit. Others pointed out that the mother’s theory — that if you get good at something, you’ll enjoy it — doesn’t always hold true. It’s possible to get good at something and still hate doing it. How would you feel as an adult if you had been forced to spend four hours a day, 365 days a year, for your entire childhood, learning to do something that gave you no pleasure at all, just because your mother insisted on it? What a waste of a childhood!

        There were also comments from people who work in admissions at colleges, universities, etc. who run into kids like this a lot, and say that although they may have 4.0 GPAs and perfect scores on the SAT, they are unable to think for themselves. They ask them, “Why do you want to go to medical school [or law school, or whatever it is they’re applying for]?” and the kid doesn’t have an answer, other than that it’s what his parents want him to do.

        • Debra says:

          I’m definitely more in line with your style of parenting. I’m more of a relational person, and while I’d love if my kids excelled, I didn’t have kids so I could have them excel, you know? I had kids for the relationship I could have with them. I want kind, hard working kids, even if their hard work only delivers a B (the horror!).

          I had linked this post to FB and my pastor who has a brother and sister in China, replied that these kids tend to lack social skills (like what you found in the comments). He said that they can get along quite well in China without those skills, but here in the US they’d have a rough go of it.
          It was an interesting article, though.
          I asked him, and he hasn’t responded, what happens to kids with learning disabilities? I would fear for a kid like that in that kind of environment.

        • Debra says:

          Sort of OT, but what was your actress/singer/dancer child like as a preschooler? I’m trying to figure Gretchen out and if I had to guess I’d say she falls into that category. She moves and sings almost always, she has a crazy imagination, and the other day she saw that my eyes were watering, and so she screwed up her little face into a sad face, and then was so proud when she produced tears. LOL!
          She is also very expressive, I always hear comments about how expressive she is.

          • violet says:

            You just described my baby — wild imagination, always in motion, very expressive, singing, dancing, making up stories, imbuing inanimate objects with personalities, improvising long dialogues using different voices for different people, etc. I got her into dance classes as early as possible because she needed a constructive outlet for all her surplus energy. She loved it, partly because the dancing itself was fun, but mostly because she loved to be on stage and wear a pretty costume and perform for an audience. When she got to be school age, I signed her up for a summer theater program, she loved it, and she’s been acting ever since. I encouraged her to take voice lessons in the hope that eventually that will enable her to get better parts in musicals.

            The trick, as I see it, is to identify the child’s natural bent, find out what opportunities are available to help develop it, and take advantage of as many of them as you can comfortably manage (and afford). Because I had four kids and very limited resources, I never wasted time, energy, or money making them do stuff they weren’t interested in. I would never have insisted that my artist learn to play the trombone, any more than I would have forced my musician to play basketball or my son (the builder) to learn to quilt. I just never saw the point in it, when they had so many other things they actually wanted to learn and wanted to do.

            • violet says:

              BTW, how old is Gretchen?

              • Debra says:

                She’s two and a half. Right now she’s using her “daddy” voice to play with her little people toy house. Now I hear her “mommy” voice. Cracks me up!

              • Debra says:

                Oh, and I should mention, I got my first hint that she was a mover when I was nursing her in our church’s nursery. I looked over at the other two momma’s and their babies laying perfectly still while eating. Not my girl! My girl swung her leg almost constantly during eating. I just assumed other babies did, too!

        • AliRose says:

          In the counseling realm, I tend to find it interesting how people measure “success.” There are as many different ideas as there are people in the world. Personally, I tend to view happiness as more important than “success.” Besides, what appears as success today, could be failure tomorrow.

          • violet says:

            So true. I agree with Debra that it’s more important to instill good character in our kids than to browbeat them into being super-high achievers. They will be happier as adults, even if they will never be rich or famous or anything, and more importantly, the world will be a better place because they are in it.

    • OMG…she sounds like a complete b-word.

      Hey, I don’t let my kids give up easy and I always want to know why the A- isn’t an A+. But I do occasionally un-duct tape their legs from the piano stool for potty breaks.

  36. Jennifer H says:

    Here’s the thing. The mission by objective of the haters, the party of destruction, is to ruin the best, the brightest, the good. The left has, day after day, month after month, year after year, decade after decade, trafficked only in ruin and destruction, focusing on the most effective leaders on the right….] […..We, on the other hand, cut and run when the lie about whomever is round the world, before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. I cringe when I hear conservatives and Republicans say Sarah Palin is not electable. Why? Because evildoers said so? Who cares? That’s what they want you to think. How wonderful it would be to have a clear thinking, rational, proud patriot for president. Who else could possibly restore America back to her standing and respect in the world? I think Palin would be spectacular, one of the greats.

    Arguably one of her best pieces…

  37. Well fellow Honey Bunz, anyone plan on tuning in to the ‘Together We Thrive: Tucson and America’ (and yes, that really and trully IS what they are calling) Democratic Fundrais, errr, ‘Memorial’ tonight?

    Here is a linky to local Tucson media:

    So many questions this gathering raises…will Arizona Governor, Jan Brewer bitch slap Eric Holder and/or Big Sis (both will be in attendance)? Will Dear Reader be in full out ‘Preacha Mode?’ And, ‘what designer will Me!chelle wear?’

    Maybe all the snow here will make us lose cable. I don’t think I can stomach ‘the show’ that this group of Kabuki Theater wannabes will put on.

  38. This always makes me smile, so I am sharing:

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I always just loved John Denver’s stuff. His music was soundtrack to some dark days in my life and helped me remember who I was. I’ve always been sorry that he died stupid. (Crashing in the surf off California on a flight in a plane he had built himself.)

    • integrity1st says:

      Want to cry, listen to his Sunshine on my shoulders, and if I recall the whole album was devoted to the loss of his wife or daughter. Anbody remember?

    • yomotley says:

      Named one of the kids Sunshine — no kidding.

  39. emmajeri1010 says:

    Alan Dershowitz going public with a statement defending/explaining the legitimacy of Sarah Palin’s use of the term “blood libel.” Commenters to this article point out that if Alan Dershowitz can’t be depended on to defend the left, they are surely running out of ammunition.

  40. emmajeri1010 says:

    Donald Trump is on Sean Hannitty at the moment talking plain talk about why he thinks about running for president. Either with Sarah or on his own, I’d love to have his level of business sense and saying like it is being part of the campaign. Between the two of them, they’d have the left wetting their pants on a daily basis.

    • Jennifer H says:

      Yes he just said the same thing on Cavuto, talk about the ultimate international capitalist! And a conservative to boot, unlike alot of these other far left billionairs.
      Let the pants wetting begin !

  41. Random observation:

    When I dropped Wee Jack off at my folks yesterday, earlier than usual, I found my dad hiding his ashtray and spraying air freshener because he thought I was the visiting nurse. He has late stage COPD and obviously should NOT be smoking. At first I thought it was kind of funny – then I remembered a conversation my parents had with a social worker the last time Pop was in the hospital. Mom said she got the distinct impression they weren’t going to let her take him home unless she promised she wouldn’t smoke around him.

    I think he was trying to hid his smoking because he is afraid they will cut off care. They pay for their insurance and have been on the same plan forever….I know smoking is bad and wrong, but still. Why should a grown-ass man feel like he has to lie?

    • WeeWeed says:

      He probably just “doesn’t want to hear it,” WM. I know my mom is that way too – COPD. Calls her dr. “Doogie” (his age, natch)!

    • Pat P says:

      If he is in late stage COPD, why not let the man enjoy himself? It’s too late to reverse his condition at this point. He is probably about my age – everyone smoked when we were teens. I was a chain smoker until I was in my early forties, when my older sister died of emphesema. Quitting was the absolutely most difficult thing I have ever done, but I had plenty of reason at the time. So glad I did.

      • Agreed Pat…at this point it really doesn’t matter.

        So sorry about your sissy. I am really glad you quit…working on it myself and it SUCKS.

        • Pat P says:

          It is really worth it. My sis died at age 60, and my mom lived to be 91 (non-smoker). Sis was in misery for at least two years before she died. It kind of says it all, doesn’t it? So sad.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      That’s ridiculous. I agree with your assessment of that….but also suspect that there just may be something to your Dad’s fears. And THAT is where obamacare is going to take us all: “you stop smoking or the doctor won’t see you…..” it’s not complicated to see where it goes, and that’s exactly where it’s going.

      • That’s what I think too, Emma. It all goes hand in hand with all the new “food” rules, etc. You will lead a healthy lifestyle or they will withhold medical treatment.


      • WeeWeed says:

        I agree, but think age will play more of a part than what we do or don’t do. Ayers’ original plan of wiping out 25 million of us will work out well with the new wing of the SS in charge of the healthcare monstrosity if they simply don’t treat anyone over a certain age – whether they have the money to pay for treatment or not.

      • yomotley says:

        I agree Emma, there must be something to his fears. First of all, the guy was not born yesterday and has probably gone around the block a few times in his life, so to speak. He knows how to read ‘em, I would bet. Especially since I have a whole list of “social interest” stories from the hospital I could tell about, but won’t.
        Let’s just say your dad knows an enemy when faced with one.

  42. sundancecracker says:

    “Glenn Beck one drink away from being the shooter”

    • JRD says:

      Sorry sundance, I just can’t watch these people any more.


      So let me see…he chooses a black guy as being “one paycheck away” and a recovering alcoholic as being “one drink away” from being the same as this lunatic scumbag?

      These two clearly missed some important liberal memos, namely:

      Liberals are the tolerant ones.


      It’s already been proven that the killer is not associated or influenced in any way shape or form by the conservative “rhetoric”.

      What a couple of assholes.

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