Monday Open Forum – January 10, 2011

Went to say Happy Day, Trail Hikers – which made me think of the song “Happy Trails”, which sent me to Youtube Listen here..

We have just come out of a tough weekend; tough on many levels. We have found we need to set our own ground rules and terms when Gov’t Media “reports” and frames us what we ain’t. Afinch posted a comment this morning. It is a good example of how to stay “on target” (yes, I said that word) and not be silenced.

Can we PLEASE stop calling the marks on Palin’s map targets? Or crosshairs? Or bulls eyes? Why do we accept their premises over and over and over again? Call them marks. Call them symbols. Call them doo-hickies. Call them anything but what the left wants us to call them.

Then, go check out Michelle Malkin’s latest: The Progressive Climate of Hate here

And…..It is a good day. Don’t let anyone make you believe different!

260 Responses to Monday Open Forum – January 10, 2011

  1. JRD says:

    Here’s a crazy thought: What if our beneficent government wanted to gain control of “The Cloud” to more easily identify potential enemies of the state? How farfetched is it to believe that the federal government won’t eventually command this technology? FCC chairman Julius Genachowski has already exerted regulatory influence over the internet with the implementation of “net neutrality” regulations. This is just the first step, the “camel’s nose under the tent”, toward the goal of complete internet control.

    Orwell knew the propensity for governments to desire the enslavement of their people, but he couldn’t possibly imagine the technology that might so easily achieve it. Will the concept of “government transparency” be twisted into a scenario in which a ruling class lives in the “clouds” over a completely transparent citizenry?

    • yomotley says:

      JRD, The longer we think it far fetched, the easier it is for them to get things in place right under our noses.

      You ask, “Will the concept of “government transparency” be twisted into a scenario in which a ruling class lives in the “clouds” over a completely transparent citizenry?”

      My gut tells me about forty percent already are a transparent “citizenry” and efforts are being ramped up to figure out how to get the rest, those not on gov’t dole and not programmed yet, under “the cloud” before anyone notices.

      Can’t wear my tin foil hat to this party — it is not a conspiracy theory — it is reality. (At least we MUST treat it as reality)

  2. AFinch says:

    Good morning Motley, JRD, et al. My stomach is still in knots and my blood pressure is still high from the events this weekend. I’m literally sickened by the attempts to use the AZ massacre to demonize Palin, the tea party and conservatives. I’m not going to have a lot of time this week to stay up to speed and add to the conversation so I just want to take a moment to say:

    I stand with Sarah Palin, the tea party and all like-minded patriots!

  3. AFinch says:

    Reposting per Motley’s request:

    Here’s a line of thinking I haven’t seen yet, courtesy of the folks at blackfive:

    “Another set of bad thinking lies in these claims coming from various politicians to the effect that ‘violence has no place in politics.’ No American should speak that way. The American project was born in rebellion. Any American who would be faithful to the project has to give an account of how and when such violence against political figures is justified. A failure to give such an account is self-serving, at best: the cry of elected officials that “violence must never be used against elected officials!”

    You can set the bar for such justification high — as high as you like, so long as it leaves room for George Washington, Samuel Adams, and Patrick Henry. Clarity of thought is important. This is the most serious question that might ever trouble a nation.”

  4. AFinch says:

    Reposting per Motley’s request. If the video doesn’t embed, I’ll fix later (or invite anyone else to do so).

    See this video from Uncle Jimbo from “In the Crosshairs.” Note the use of ACTUAL crosshair targets in his motif. See how the lines do not extend outside the circle? See the guage marks? Only someone who has never looked through the scope of a gun would equate the marks on Palin’s map with gun imagery.

  5. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’, Honeys! This riled me up first thing this a.m. so thought I’d share. Y’all have a great day. Back to work.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      This is the “dirty secret” about so-called “non-profit” organizations. Just because they’re non-profit, doesn’t mean that their executives don’t make a ton of $$$.

  6. JRD says:

    Murders, Lies, and Liberal Fantasies of Conservatives

    When murderers are held in less contempt than others whom liberals wish to blame for the murder, we see major steps towards the steady dismantling of personal responsibility in American society. The notion of collective culpability is a major tool used by liberals to justify government power grabs — as we saw from the health care debate. In this case, however, it is being used as an attempt to shut down conservative voices.

  7. G8rMom7 says:

    I’m just sick about this weekend…listening to the stories of the survivors and the people who were on the scene. One moment I’m heartbroken (hearing about the little girl and the others who were lost) and the next I am inspired by the heros like Daniel Hernandez, the intern that saved Gifford’s life.

    So senseless and now KNOWING that this WILL be used for political purposes, just makes me want to scream.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      The intentional strategy of trying to make political hay out of this massacre by a madman is just sickening.

    • integrity1st says:

      Used for Political Purpose? I beg to differ. (NOT)

      The Gunman’s Haunted World

      Cut off from the world by his iPhone earbuds and hoodie, neighbors and classmates say gunman Jared Lee Loughner was a deeply disturbed young man who’d been wandering the neighborhood with an especially strange look in his eyes in recent days. But is he a calculating killer on a political mission—or a desperate young man battling severe mental illness? His rambling Internet missives likely come from the writings of the Milwaukee-based, far right activist David Wynn Miller. Miller tells The Daily Beast/Newsweek “I expect he’s been on my website… He’s just repeating things I’ve had up on my site the past 11 years.” Eve Conant, Claire Martin and Masada Siegel report on the 22-year-old’s “disconnection from reality.”
      Read it at The Daily Beast OR NOT!

  8. JRD says:

    Political Vultures

    The sick art of turning insanity into politics
    By Victor David Hanson

    If crazed gunmen are sadly a periodic characteristic of American culture, so are political vultures who scavenge political capital as they pick through the horrific violence.

  9. JRD says:

    Florida governor Rick Scott has promised to right-size the state work force, use vouchers to improve education by lowering government school enrollment, and do away with unnecessary state regulations, perhaps even unnecessary state agencies. He wants to cut Florida’s corporate income tax and property taxes.

    Liberals, Democrats, union officials, incompetent school teachers, environmentalists (please excuse some unavoidable redundancy here), government supernumeraries, and many of the state’s newspaper editorial writers are worried. They should be.

    “Taxation, regulation, and litigation” together make up “the axis of unemployment,” Scott said in his inaugural address. Just so. And there was this: “It requires magical thinking to expect government to create prosperity. Government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us, minus a huge cut for the government middleman.” In case some still didn’t get the message, he added that government is “the enemy of prosperity.” Clear enough.

    No wonder Democrats and their media apologists are stressed. Scott is going after all three legs of their policy stool.

    Scott is even considering turning back federal grant money for high-speed passenger rail projects in Florida, which has put those who would profit from rail in a swivet. Rail is many times more expensive per passenger mile than any other form of transportation, and is famous for large cost overruns everywhere it has been instituted. The grants wouldn’t pay for all of the construction, let alone the huge maintenance and operating expense that will be forever with these costly train sets.

    Recognizing that the media, especially newspapers, have far less clout than they’ve enjoyed in the past, Scott bypassed them during the election. He genuinely doesn’t seem to care what the media think of him.

    Scott didn’t meet with a single editorial board during the campaign.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Scott sounds good so far!

    • G8rMom7 says:

      So hopeful…and you’re right…the liberals in this state are freaking out! At least the ones I know are.

      • JRD says:

        I have you to thank for taking a second look at him G8rMom7!

        • G8rMom7 says:

          Well to be honest, I was not all that rah rah about him but with the choices we had on the Republican side, he was the only one who was an outsider and not a lifetime politician. That is pretty much all I based my vote on this time around. I will disclaim that I voted for Rubio who is technically a lifetime politician, but he’s still young, so I cut him some slack.

          I like the fact that Scott uses his own money for not only the campaign but for some of his expenses while serving his duties as governor. One of the benefits of electing a rich guy I guess.

    • Ms. Tee says:

      I don’t think Rick Scott really cares about what anyone thinks of him. However, I do know that many conservatives have concerns about him.

      Standing firm against the rail project, would be a major policy victory for Rick Scott and the state.

      • Mrs. Compton says:

        My FIL is one who is against him vehemently. I just don’t understand, I guess he bought the lies the left put out by him is all I can think. Plus he’s really an unknown commodity, but then having some fresh air is what we need down here.

    • sundancecracker says:

      Considering the current issues in the media this seems ironically pertinent.

      Democratic Congressman on GOP Gov. Rick Scott: ‘They ought to put him against a wall and shoot him.’
      While Paul Krugman and other liberal commentators continue to exploit this weekend’s tragedy by making hay out of supposedly extreme rhetoric on the right, perhaps they would do well to examine some of the rhetoric that has come from the left. On October 23, The Scranton Times reported that Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., said this about Florida’s new Republican Governor Rick Scott:

      “That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”
      Read more at the Washington Examiner:

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him.”

        Now. I wonder if that qualifies as hateful language designed to stir up violence? Ya think? There is so much of this stuff all over the place today….it seems like almost every site has either started a collection, or has an article listing a bunch of things. I hope it all goes viral until conservatives internalize the fact that this is not just a hostile reaction to an unfair attack, but that the left is crazy and violent and vicious as a matter of routine procedure.

  10. JRD says:

    Despite having a sordid history of using vitriolic rhetoric, George Soros-funded advocacy group MoveOn has seized upon the tragic shooting of Ariz. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and other attendees of a public event in Tucson Saturday as a means to go after “overt and implied appeals to violence in our political debate.”

  11. Kristi says:

    I just saw a comment on another board…

    “Of course the sheriff is going to start the blame game. What would you do expect from a man that didn’t provide any police protection to a politician in an environment he described as a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry and vitriol in political rhetoric? Man up and admit he screwed up – not when there are political points to be scored”

    How true is that!?

    • JRD says:

      Totally, he is attempting to deflect criticism for his poor performance.
      Time for the old guy to step down. He is incapable of performing his job responsibly.
      Also, the public don’t want people who point the finger at someone else and say it was their fault.

    • yomotley says:

      Didn’t someone elsewhere on the Trail mention to watch for the word “vitriol” to be used today all over the place by Gov’t Media and the Regime’s soldiers?

  12. JRD says:

    Those who are blaming Palin, such as Paul Krugman of The New York Times, are practicing “McCarthyism.”

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      I disagree with Bill Kristol. They aren’t practicing “McCarthyism”, they are following Saul Alinsky’s lead.

      • JRD says:

        How true!

        However, I sincerely think Kristol said this to piss off Krugman who relentlessly accuses the right of McCarthyism.

        Krugman has become a public disgrace. Apparently his mother never taught him how to behave or the rules for public discourse. I am sick to death of the idiot loon. It is time for Krugman to be told he is completely out of order and needs to seriously take some meds.

  13. JRD says:

    The Battle Ahead:Public Sector Unions

    Too many state workers can retire in their mid-50s on close to full pay.
    Sixty-five should be a minimum age for retirement for people who spend their lives in classrooms and offices; and new civil servants should be switched to defined-contribution pensions.

    • JRD says:

      Isn’t it the bomb! What a keeper. Be sure to send it to all the radical leftist loons you know.

    • Jennifer H says:

      This expose needs to go viral- big time. It would be comical to see this blatant hypocrosy if it weren’t so deadly serious to our individual freedoms or our nation.
      they are already trying to get the most political mileage out of this situation as they can:
      Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, said he will introduce legislation making it a federal crime for a person to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a Member of Congress or federal official.
      and this:
      Far left Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition the gunman used.

      Both articles can be found at Gateway Pundit

    • Library Countess says:

      I had to stop reading half-way through (I’ll go back) … I am simply astonished. This is beyond chilling. I’m bookmarking it for future use.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I didn’t even get half way through it. Necessary to have available. Utterly sickening. And to think normal Americans have, for the most part, just simply “not said anything”….I think, partly, for the same reason that it’s very uncomfortable to have to acknowledge the homeless person peeing into the trash barrel outside the Walmart as you walk in, and everybody just pretends they don’t see him. These people mean what they’ve been saying. If they don’t mean it, they have all the opportunity in the world to make that clear. We can’t keep waiting for them to do that, based on some assumption that they can’t possibly mean it. I’m embarrassed for them…..or would be, if I didn’t understand they mean to destroy me.

  14. Jennifer H says:

    The attempts to link resistance to violence, or discredit it through manufactured charges of racism, is nothing less than totalitarian. If the exercise of free speech makes you an accessory to murder, there is no such thing as free speech. The Left has spent the last few hours screaming that all dissent from their ideology leads to violence. Well, there is only one form of government that requires violence to achieve dissent. If the Left wants to push this meme, they are indicting themselves as tyrants. Doc Zero chimes in…. brought to my attention by our fellow traveler IamDagney

    • Debra says:

      I especially liked this line

      “Those who use the corpses of his victims as marionettes for political theater are also responsible for their actions, and deserve our contempt.”

  15. Kristi says:

    I was expecting today that the media would have backed off the blame Sarah Palin line…. they arent. they will stick with this line of thought no matter what.

    These people are insane.

  16. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Dick Winters dies; WWII hero commanded ‘Band of Brothers’

    Rest in peace.

  17. Ms. Tee says:

    Well as expected, the resident Leftist at my job tried to pin this weekend’s shooting on Sarah Palin. He and few other co-workers were discussing the event and he shouts: “did you that the guy blamed Sarah Palin for [his foolishness]?” I promptly responded that not only was he[my co-worker] wrong about the motive but that shooter was a deranged Leftist, who perhaps had issues with the congresswoman’s–a Democrat–political decisions. I also said that these sort of things occur when people “talk out of there a–es”, as my co-worker was doing. Not only did it shut my co-worker up (briefly) but my other co-workers nodded in approval to what I said and they weren’t really conservative!

  18. Jennifer H says:

    Has the liberal democrat Tuscon sherriff provided Laoughner with a defense?
    I think that Loughner’s lawyer will say that this comment by one of the lead investigators proves that his client was not responsible for the crime, but that his borderline personality was twisted by the “vitriolic political atmosphere”.
    It’s as ridiculous as the “twinkie defense” (actually used for another assassination), but in this case the sheriff seems to be corroborating it and that might convince some jurors and lead to a hung jury.
    Dupnik has poisoned both the political and law enforcement atmospheres.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      That is a good point — hadn’t thought of it.

      Great job, Sheriff Dopenik.

    • Debra says:

      Borderline Personality? Seriously? More like schizophrenic. I know a couple of people with BPD and they would hurt themselves before they ever hurt someone else.

      • Debra says:

        Oh wait, I thought the sherrif said that. I was ridiculing the sherrif, if he’s not the one who said it then I don’t care. :D

  19. Thomas Hooker says:

    From the UK Telegraph-
    “Let us begin with last week’s astonishing claim that, far from failing to predict the coldest November and December since records began, the Met Office had secretly warned the Cabinet Office in October that Britain was facing an early and extremely cold winter.”
    For an excerpt and picture of future home of the Met Office:

  20. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Georgia’s next attorney general plans to follow through on a pledge to participate with other states in a lawsuit challenging President Obama’s health care overhaul after he’s sworn in.

  21. Jennifer H says:

    Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman’s Grudge Against Giffords

    Interesting perspective of from aanother 22 year old, gives some good insights.

    Since hearing of the rampage, Tierney has been trying to figure out why Loughner did what he allegedly did. “More chaos, maybe,” he says. “I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what’s happening. He wants all of that.” Tierney thinks that Loughner’s mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie: “He fucks things up to fuck shit up, there’s no rhyme or reason, he wants to watch the world burn. He probably wanted to take everyone out of their monotonous lives: ‘Another Saturday, going to go get groceries’—to take people out of these norms that he thought society had trapped us in.”

    • Ms. Tee says:

      Isn’t this an Alinsky tactic? Promoting and inciting chaos?

      • PhillyCon says:

        I think its more like an anarchist who doesn’t want any government.

        I read somewhere that the guy admired the character “The Joker” from batman.

        • Patriot Dreamer says:

          “Some men just want to watch the world burn.”


          • texan59 says:

            I just watched Rachel Madcow for a few minutes and near the end of her “show” she went and tried to tie this wackjob to the militia nuts who threw some rocks through the windows of some D offices (supposedly) after the Obamacare vote. She so slowly and deliberately tried to “not” tie this guy to the right but she just couldn’t help herself. At the very end she read a press release from an AZ Tea Party organization rep who said that the rock throwing might have been done by some skateboarders. Now, whoever the TP rep was should get a swift kick in the ass for that stupid comment but, Madcow just fed to her base with her little solliquy and was so proud of herself. No mention was ever given to the anarchists who show up at every G20 meeting or WTO gabfest and try to destroy everything in sight.

    • G8rMom7 says:

      See now…YOU’D THINK that is was made public ALL of us would just calm down and NOT allow the accusations and hate consume us all. Should we all collectively give this guy the middle finger and not let him succeed in causing MORE chaos and friction between all Americans?

  22. JRD says:

    The Hateful Left
    Where incendiary political rhetoric truly resides in America
    By Andrew Klavan

    The Left’s sudden talk about incendiary political rhetoric in the wake of the Arizona shooting isn’t really about political rhetoric at all. It’s about the real-world failure of leftist policies everywhere—the bankrupting of nations and states by greedy unions and unfundable social programs, the destruction of inner cities by identity politics, and the appeasement of Muslim extremists in the face of worldwide jihad, not to mention the frequently fatal effects of delirious environmentalism. Europe is in debt and on fire. American citizens are in political revolt. Even the most left-wing president ever is making desperate overtures to his right.

    But all that might be tolerable to leftists if they weren’t starting to lose control of the one weapon in which they have the most faith: the narrative. The narrative is what leftists believe in instead of the truth. If they can blame George W. Bush for the economic crisis, if they can make Sarah Palin out to be an idiot, if they can call the Tea Party racist until you think it must be true, they might yet retain power in spite of the international disgrace of their ideas. And though they still mostly dominate the narrative on the three broadcast networks, most cable stations, most newspapers, and much of Hollywood, nonetheless Fox News, talk radio, the Internet, and the Wall Street Journal have begun to respond in ways they can’t ignore.

    That’s the hateful rhetoric they’re talking about: conservatives interrupting the stream of leftist invective in order to dismantle their arguments with the facts. As for leftists’ reaction to the Arizona shooting, call it Narrative Hysteria: a frantic attempt to capitalize on calamity by casting their opponents, not merely as racist or sexist or Islamophobic this time, but as somehow responsible for an act of madness and evil. Shame on them.

    • Jennifer H says:

      Wow – great analysis by Klavan !
      Thanks JRD

    • integrity1st says:

      JRD I just used this in a FB battle with soon to be ex long time friends. Guess you gotta walk away when you’ve been called everything from a homophobe to a wacko, and oh, did I mention I had lost touch with them for almost twenty years, and this is how they re-engage with me on FB where I post LITTLE to nothing? My fantasy is, next time one of you well versed honeys carries my side of the debate since there are so many on here who can articulate the finer points so much better than me. Anybody in?

      • integrity1st says:

        Oh, and I just want to add, what started this was my posting this the day they read the Constitution: A BIG thank you and hugs to John Boehner for where you are taking this congress. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. May God Bless you and America!!!

      • WeeWeed says:

        I had a couple of those I1st – ya just “unfriend” them, no more worries! If you’ve done without them for 40 years (some, in my case!) you can do without ‘em another 40, IMHO! LOL! I don’t post much, either – mainly because I haven’t figured out how to share articles well, yet – NOT because I’d care who I pi$$ed off. (But you know me :) )

    • sundancecracker says:

      Frilliance. just watch…

  23. yomotley says:

    Flashback of Obama speech right after another shooting. He sure is tiaking his dear sweet time to make the same pronouncement this time around.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Ah! Well, there it is, isn’t it? In that situation, he did not want people to jump to conclusions. In this situation, he does want people to jump to conclusions.

      It’s such a relief to hear Rush this morning, calmly stating what is so.

      I’m reminded again that while our reactions to the carnage caused by the left after these Americans were murdered/wounded are completely understandable, we need to always be looking to the response. Reactions are sometimes unavoidable since we have compassion and anger as reasonable human beings that the left knows nothing about. However, reactions can also be used by the left to further their original goals. Let’s not help them.

      Let’s get to responding as soon as possible. Obviously, the lines (between angry reaction and (also angry! and focused!) response may overlap…but it has been helpful to me to notice the difference between getting caught in reacting to a situation or person and deliberately responding to the same.

      One of the dilemmas conservatives have is a decades-long track record showing that we usually don’t rise up and start STOPPING things until we are so angry, so riled up, so indignant, so injured that we are practically out of our minds. So let’s be angry!….but be angry earlier. Start fighting back sooner! We know how sick the left is. They keep revealing themselves. So we don’t have to wait until we’re nearly out of minds before we respond.

      I know that doesn’t apply to all the Hikers: some of you are skilled and practiced at fighting back. But I’m assuming it does apply to some Hikers other than myself, so thought I’d toss it out there. Tune in to Rush, folks! You’ll be assured you’re not crazy. You’re not wrong. And whatever the left has beaten you up with for the last 48 hours will start to recede. God help us all.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      I doubt he’ll be saying that Sheriff Dopenik acted stupidly anytime soon.

  24. Jennifer H says:

    Glewnn Beck reads part of an email re recieved from Sarah Palin regarding the events of this weekend.

  25. yomotley says:

    FATHER OF NINE-year old girl does not want more restricitons…

    • yomotley says:

      Borrowed this from gwgn02 at breitbart

      “I hope his son grows up to be President some day”

    • G8rMom7 says:

      If people cannot see that THIS is a message from God, then I don’t know what is…a young girl, born on 9-11 and then taken on this tragic day. Can’t we open our eyes and see that God is telling us something? We need to wake up people…there IS evil in this world…it’s not all gray. There is GOOD and there is EVIL and the more we turn from God, the more the evil is able to take hold.

  26. PhillyCon says:

    Rush is really good right now. Hopefully, the right scoop will post a segment.

    He’s going to play quotes of Lefties soon.

    • NeeNee says:

      I’m waiting for leftists to focus on Rush’s
      “hate speech” . . .

      Because he uses inflammatory words like
      “drive-by media,”

      “the left are imploding.”

      I look for the politically correct
      word police to step up. Even terms
      some of use here, such as “blowback”,
      will be demonized.

      Ridiculous, I know. But no more so than
      those who have focused on the target
      symbols used by Palin, and even the printing
      and architecture industries.

      As Rush pointed out, they are castigating
      the vast majority of the country who voted
      against liberal policies. We.will.remember.
      2012 can’t come soon enough!

  27. emmajeri1010 says:

    Different topic, but worth reading because of some excellent points made about the lameduck’s Congress significant refudiation of zippy in a matter that barely made the news over the holidays.

  28. Ms. Tee says:

    Disgusting: Rep. Clyburn uses Arizona tragedy to renew push for “Fairness Doctrine”. But awesomely(is that a word), Tim Scott fights back!

  29. yomotley says:

    AZ Massacre Hero Educates Geraldo on What a Responsible Gun Owner Does In a Crisis

    • TXMom says:

      Thanks, yomotley. He seems to be an honorable young man. And thank you for that Happy Day video. What a great way to start the day! Love it.

  30. NeeNee says:

    (Newser) – As though Jared Lee Loughner didn’t already seem crazy enough,

    a strange shrine complete with a replica of a human skull
    has been found in his backyard.

    Inside a camouflage tent, Loughner has a small altar, atop which sits a pot filled with shriveled oranges, the skull replica, a row of candles, and a bag of potting soil, the New York Daily News reports. Experts tell the paper that the objects are common to many occult ceremonies.

    Loughner was obsessed with lucid dreaming, the process of attempting to consciously control one’s dreams, one friend tells Mother Jones. “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence,” he says. “You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.”

    He also says that Loughner had been obsessed with Giffords ever since she failed to answer his question at a campaign event.

    “The question was, ‘What is government if words have no meaning?’ …

    I told him, ‘Dude, no one’s going to answer that.’”

    So it appears that Sarah Palin’s name never came up.

  31. JRD says:

    Bitter Blue Dogs Ready to Cut Deals

    Blue Dogs have already started having informal discussions with Republicans in the hope that they can help forge bipartisan deals.

    Pelosi’s continued leadership, meanwhile, has the Blue Dogs looking to go their own way more than ever.

  32. JRD says:

    I don’t know about you guys but this stinks on ice to me. In other words my radar is up.

    Progress Energy? Is that anything like Progressive Insurance who George Soros’ buddy owns? She worked for communist Rosa DeLauro before she went to Progress Energy?
    I think I smell a rat! What is it with these people in Washington showing up dead in their cars since the socialists got elected?

    White House Aide’s Wife Found Dead In Burning Car In Washington
    A Progress Energy Inc. (PGN) spokesman confirmed on Monday that Turton, a lobbyist for the company, was the victim. She was married to Daniel Turton, a White House liaison to Congress. A White House spokesman declined to comment.

    Before joining Progress Energy in September 2007, Turton had worked on Capitol Hill. She had worked for Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D, Conn.), among other people, according to the website A spokeswoman for DeLauro’s office had no immediate comment.

  33. AliRose says:

    Has anyone seen this yet? Are you familiar with this practice in the Sikh religion?

    As noted, “The principal initially allowed the child to keep the sword, but the Plymouth-Canton School District later determined the religious symbol resembled a weapon and was officially banned.”

    So, they call it a “sword” or “saber” throughout the article, but I find it hard to believe that a principle would let a child keep an actual sword, and in this line they say it “resembled” a weapon. I’m just trying to get more info, because it’s unclear from the article whether these are actual swords/daggers/sabers, or just a representation of a sword/dagger/saber (sheathed).

    • yomotley says:

      The problem with letting the kid bring his knife (sword) is the other kids have been told, “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.” And, of course, since the president mandated that, tax dollars will pay for the guns.

      • AliRose says:

        You’re lucky you don’t owe me a new keyboard!

      • Integrity1st says:

        Gads that was perfect Motley.

        On another matter, I’m not a good researcher/finder, but that sure flies in the face of the first grader who was arrested a few years back for having a plastic fork packed in his lunch.

  34. Does anybody understand the intricate peculiarities of yahoo email? Mine is giving me fits, and I need some help. Tx.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Sorry we can’t seem to help! I did get a yahoo e-mail address some time back in order to be able to process a certain package my brother was e-mailing me, but I never actually use it for regular e-mail….not ignoring your request, :) ….

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      What’s Yahoo not doing for ya?

      • I have 160-some addresses in my email contacts list. Every now-and-again, yahoo stops automatically importing the address into the email when I type the first few letters of the person’s name. I never know why it stops, and I never know why it starts up again, since to my knowledge, I haven’t done anything to make either thing happen. A few days ago, it stopped again and still hasn’t “cured” itself. I’ve had the computer turned off. I’ve logged in and out a number of times, since it’s also started kicking me off if I use that window to go somewhere else and then try to come back to yahoo. It’s a pain in the butt to manually enter the addresses, and not that much fun to go to the contacts file, pick them out, and then import them . I’ve had this email for years and don’t want to quit, but I’m getting annoyed enough to consider it as an option!! >8-( Any ideas?

      • P.S. Even if you can’t help, thanks to you and Emma for answering.

        • Integrity1st says:

          Just for the record Frankly, I’ve had, and am having the exact same issue – – – for the same number of days now. Don’t know what to do but it’s a really big hindrence.

        • GracieD says:

          I’ve had the same issue with AOL. Maybe a glitch in the software? I also have the same issue with my outlook email at work.

          • I experimented with my daughters’ emails. One works fine on Google Chrome, the other works fine on Mozilla–all o n the same computer. So the problem does not seem to be system-wide, nor “in” the computer. It’s something we did. Or didn’t do. Or thought of doing. Or something. Just wish I knew what it was. Is. Has been. Will be. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        Sometimes Yahoo gets glitches that last for several days. And I think that they have different computer servers, so one person with a Yahoo account might be fine, which someone else with a Yahoo account might be experiencing problems. It’s not bad service for “free”, but I would say to give it a few more days. You might want to try contacting Yahoo’s technical support. They might not be aware that there’s a problem.

  35. AliRose says:

    A note from MI Congresswoman, Candace Miller, re Guantanamo detainees (the issue is still alive and well):

    “If President Obama believes that this provision intrudes on his authority as commander in chief, then he must agree that these detainees are not simply common criminals, but are enemy combatants captured on foreign battlefields and thus should be tried in military commissions. A broad bipartisan majority of both houses of Congress supported this provision which bars expending any funds for the transfer of these terrorist enemies into our nation in order to deny them access to our civilian courts. This provision also has the overwhelming support of the American people.”

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Check out the article on American Thinker (I put a link a bit back up the thread here) about this this morning. At the moment, the whole Guantanamo escapade has been defunded by republicans, including some democrats, and that was accomplished with the lameduck Congressional session. The AT article makes the point that zippy suffered a significant refudiation by his own party in that particular vote. If you don’t have time to hunt for that link, just go to AT: it’s the 4th article down on the left column. “Executive Order O” by Robert Morrison

      • AliRose says:

        C. Miller explains that the “defunding” was accomplished through a provision in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011, which has not yet been signed by the President. Additionally, Obama is planning to reject that particular provision, claiming that Congress doesn’t have the authority to tell him, as CInC, how to spend his defense money.

        So, basically, it comes down to a battle of wills. Congress says, “We control the purse strings.” Obama says, “You tell me how much money I get, but I control the military spending, etc.” However, there’s a catch-22, because by admitting that these detainees fall under his jurisdiction, Obama would have to agree that they are enemy combatants and not merely common criminals. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    • Pat P says:

      This is the lady I would like to see run against Senator Debbie Stabenow in 2012. She used to be our Secretary of State here in Michigan, and completely reorganized that department before moving on to Congress.

  36. NeeNee says:

    ~ From a local Arizona website, “Cholla Jumps” (by James Kelly)
    looks like Dupnik has some ‘splainin’ to do ~

    “This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8.

    “The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.

    “Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name.

    “Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.

    “Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.

    “This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact. ”

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Well, well, well, well, well…..the plot thickens. Good work….(this is why they hate us, you know….we just keep sniffin’….and talkin’…..and tellin’ the truth….even though we’re so stoooopid….)

      • NeeNee says:

        Thanks, Emma. But actually
        frankie in AZ emailed this to me.
        As a local resident for 10+ years,
        she has much insight into this
        and the illegal immigration issue.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          then pass the qudoes to frankies ;) and let’em know you have upped the exposure of this important bit…. it IS just everyday folks who are going to stop the leftist, freedom-destroying posturing….thank God for frankie

    • Jennifer H says:

      Awesome find NeeNee. Emma I agree. If this is indeed true then how horrible that he wasn’t taken seriously and stopped long ago.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      NeeNee! Former Congressman J. D. Hayworth is, right now, live on a regional talk show I’m listening to (hosted by Scott Hennen, a terrific conservative in Fargo, ND) and J. D. has just described the blog site Cholla Jumps, and quoted extensively from this post you brought here. So it’s getting more coverage…

    • DeniseVB says:

      Dupnik started the political smack talk too :( There’s definitely blood on his hands by ignoring this threat to his community. I hope the FBI is looking into his department too. The school system didn’t seem to help….or was it Dupnik who wouldn’t help them til the kid “did something wrong” ?

    • JRD says:

      NeeNee, Thank you and frankie!!!

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I just reread this and realized something. Look at this sentence:

      “It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County.”

      Why would pressing of charges “cause more problems that it solved” just because a family member works for Pima County???? What’s going on there?

      • GracieD says:

        Emma, that is a blatant case of “it is not what you know, but who you know”. I would think that would be grounds for an external investigation.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          What intrigued me about that line was not that there’s family influence….that’s not unusual, unfortunately….but that it is apparently commonly enough known that this kind of statement would be made somewhat casually, apparently without fear of serious contradiction. I’m beginning to think the sheriff’s nonsense is a pre-emptive strike to cover his own butt. Good luck with that, with the FBI on the case.

          • GracieD says:

            With this DOJ, I don’t hold out much hope of a thorough investigation of this issue. The Sheriff is, after all, a Democrat.

      • WeeWeed says:

        His momma, I read somewhere.

    • SleeplessinCA says:

      Mark Levin has called for his resignation.

    • WeeWeed says:

      And thank you, yomotley, for going into unknown territory with me.. y’all, Mots is fearless!! Thank you for posting, NeeNee – put it everywhere. This jackwagon is a putz. Everyone should know.

  37. garnette says:

    This is a post about the surgeon at the hospital who is a battleground experienced surgeon. After reading it all I could think was how God had him in ther right place at the right time.

  38. Jennifer H says:

    I think we need to flood this his mailbox with that Michelle Malkin post, and call him out on his blatant prejudice, distortion of the facts and failure to report the truth.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Did you get an email today about the TX house voting overwhelmingly for Straus? I am hot. Tryon Lewis is history, if I have any say about it. grrrrr. I already got up on the wrong side of the web today….

  39. emmajeri1010 says:

    It occurs to me that, if there are any genuine praying folk on the left, they might start praying that not a single hair on the pretty head of Sarah Palin gets tweaked any time in the next ten years. They really should be a little more thoughtful about yanking the chains they seem to be intent on yanking. They are childish and exceedingly careless in their determination to substitute this kind of talk for actual governance and debate. Of course, it may be that they have no choice if they are to participate at all, since actual governance and debate are apparently beyond their abilities.

  40. Library Countess says:

    For those of you into baseball, and/or live on the east coast and would know these things: the little 9-year-0ld girl killed in AZ is the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green.

  41. Kristi says:

    Funny thing happened today…

    I was working in a little town today… and driving through a neighborhood I saw 4 cop cars.. lights going and police officers running through a side yard. As I got closer, they were chasing a huge pig.
    I started to chuckle and one of the cops just smiled back and shook his head.

    It was a funny site. Every cop in this little town trying to catch a pig.

    (For those of you in Indiana.. it was in Lebanon)

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      That’s a day-lightener, which we need. Did they catch it? Did it have lipstick on?

    • NeeNee says:

      Three years ago, we spent tons of $$$
      and three summers of hubby’s labor,
      constructing a Victorian cast iron fence
      all around our 1879 home.

      Reason? Precipitated by a GOAT.ON.THE.YARD.

      I don’t know about Lebanon, Indiana, but my

      western Iowa town has lots of “critters” being
      kept by Latinos. Heck, one even caught two squirrels
      and tried to keep them as pets in cages—wearing
      doll clothes.

  42. G8rMom7 says:

    Jan Brewer’s speech today was fantastic! Love her!

  43. staceedb says:

    So, if your kid’s gym teacher told them they needed to switch gym classes by implying they are “fat” and can’t run…what would you do? Discrimination? Who the hell can run a 5-minute mile without some serious training anyhow??

    feedback appreciated

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      What age is the child? A 5-minute mile is pretty fast, I would think.

      • Kristi says:

        I think the world record is 4 minutes.

        I ran track when I was in High School… a 6 minute mile was considered excellent.
        normal target jogging rate is 12 minute mile.

        (if my use of target inflames and freaks you out.. I apologize)

        • Kristi says:

          World records…

          3:43.13 – Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome.

          4:12.56 – Svetlana Masterkova of Russia, 14 August 1996 in Zürich.

          Unless your child is in olympic training.. I would have a come to Jesus with that stupid teacher.

        • DeniseVB says:

          LOL, you said target and made me think, will Target change their store logo now?

          My husband said in his Marine Corps prime, 6 minutes got you a perfect score. As for me, finishing a mile would be an accomplishment. ( I prefer walking, easier on the joints ;) )

    • WeeWeed says:

      My daughter trained 4 days a week while in jr. high and high school for cross country running – at their biggest meets the distance averaged 3 miles. In other words, yes, they train. Who the hell is this teacher (and how old is your child)? And, like football or anything else, they had the school doc present just-in-case. I’d set up a come-to-jeezuz-meeting (local vernacular) with said teacher and ask him/her to explain it to ME. (But, I’m semi-evil :) )

    • NeeNee says:

      My very athletic son ran the mile in 4:48
      as a freshman in high school, which set
      a school record for quite a few years.
      In junior high his time was 5:25. So you
      can see that it took several years of

      rigorous training to better his time.
      Other kids were taking 6 minutes+ in
      the same meet. So I do believe this
      5-minute thing is setting the bar very
      unrealistically high for an average student
      not out for track.
      I would opt for a shift to a different PE
      class/teacher. Bet said teacher is one who is
      also all for removing snack & pop machines

      from schools, too!

      • Kristi says:

        Wow… 4:48!

        Way to go kid!

      • staceedb says:

        She is 15 and a freshman…took summer p.e. class which was at least half a day for three weeks…they did some running and all sorts of different activities.. She had no problems with it.

        Taught herself how to downhill ski and learned snowboarding last winter (in fact we just went yesterday, unfortunately she had a fall and hurt her knee so wasn’t her best today)..

        She is not a stick figure, etc… today teacher actually had the nerve to question her (she has been in his class for two days) whether or not she felt she needed to move to the “easier” class during first hour and asked if the counselor had “talked” to her about it, etc…. I am thinking WTF? Asked her is she had had any troubles yet? She says no… Guessing I will have her big daddy get involved..

        • Kristi says:

          That makes me mad.

          A male teacher saying that to a 15 year old girl. As if teenage girls dont have enough body issues…(99.9% of the time totally way off base)

          • WeeWeed says:

            Me, too, especially as Mr. Wonderful has “known” her 2 days. I won’t say any more. I’ve already been awful all day. (hangs head….oh well, there’s always tomorrow! :) )

    • Integrity1st says:

      Stace: related to an earlier post, did you try looking into that book I suggested?

  44. Kristi says:

    Shooter was a registered Ind.

    Didnt vote in 2010.

    Liberals.. hardest hit.

  45. JRD says:

    Allen West blasts congressional colleague Wasserman Schultz

    West said she’s a poor candidate to make it an issue because, in his view, Wasserman Schultz “incited a political riot and protest outside of my campaign headquarters.”

    “If you want to talk about toning down the political rhetoric, you need to look at yourself first and foremost, Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz,” West said.

    West said President Barack Obama has sometimes used rhetoric that some consider incendiary.

    “It’s a sad day in America when we have this type of thing happen and people such as Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz would use it for an opportunity to take a political cheap shot, and I’m just glad that I have more class, more character than she has exhibited,” West said.

    For the record, he added, “I need to let everybody know” that he has a concealed carry permit and owns two handguns.

    • WeeWeed says:

      LOL!! My Man!!

    • yomotley says:

      ****Warning – Crude -but true -language*****

      Balls. The man has balls.

    • AFinch says:

      I was PRAYING that he would weigh in on this. As I was listening to my local radio station this morning, they quoted Andre Carson (a/k/a the AA congressman from Indianapolis who claimed he heard the health care vote protestors shout the n-word 15 times) who also attributed the shooting to politcal rhetoric. Clearly they got their talking points over the weekend. And I thought how nice it would be if West responded. I love that man.

    • Debra says:

      LOVE HIM!

  46. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Apologies if this has already been posted, I found it via a post by “Firelight” at C4P — some lowdown on the disesteemed Sheriff Dopenik:

  47. JRD says:

    Rep. Steve King Says Witnesses Are Ready to Testify in Congress About Alleged Fraud in Federal Compensation Payments to Black Farmers

    Rep. Steve King (R.-Iowa), who serves on both the House Agriculture Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, says he has personally talked to two potential witnesses in recent months who are ready to come forward and speak to a congressional committee—if one decides to actually investigate the matter–about alleged fraud in discrimination-compensation payments that the U.S. Department of Agriculture has made to black farmers.

    One of these would-be witnesses is a black farmer who was a litigant in the initial class action suit that black farmers brought against the USDA in the 1990s. The other is a current long-time employee of the USDA itself.

    King said the black farmer who is prepared to testify told him that some attorneys in the case he was involved in traveled neighborhoods to sign up people up who had never farmed to receive the discrimination-compensation payments the USDA agreed to make in the negotiated settlement of the case. The enlistees even included homeless people this farmer alleged, according to King.

    King said he spoke with the farmer for two hours and 20 minutes several weeks ago about the settlement, reached in 1999, that saw the government pay out $1 billion in compensation to 15,640 black farmers who alleged discrimination.

    King said that a few months ago he also interviewed a USDA employee of more than 30 years who says he was personally aware of numerous fraudulent claims that were filed seeking compensation under the negotiated settlement. The USDA employee, who spoke to King for about an hour and a half, worked processing USDA farm loans in the South.

    King said that both of these witnesses want to remain unnamed for now to protect themselves from retaliation or intimidation, but are willing to come forward and testify under oath for the record if Congress holds hearings on the matter.

    King says that over the years, as he has served on the Agriculture Committee, he has also talked to a number of other USDA officials who have information that would be relevant to an investigation of the case. At least a couple of these, he says, would be willing to cooperate with a congressional investigation if a House committee were to undertake one.

    “I asked several of them, would you be willing to testify if called upon,” King told “Some of them like the jobs that they have now. This puts them at significant risk. So there are a couple that said they would cooperate with a congressional investigation, but they would not speak on the record in any other fashion.”

    King and some other members of Congress who have been critical of how the government has handled the issue believe that the USDA did in fact discriminate against black farmers in the period from 1981 through 1996. However, they are concerned that the number of people who have received compensation payments from the government, and who are anticipated to receive compensation under a new settlement, may significantly exceed the number of people who were actual victims of discrimination.

    USDA’s Farm Service Agency county commissions allegedly discriminated against black farmers in dispensing federally funded farm loans between 1981 and 1996. In 1999, the federal government settled a class action suit—commonly called the “Pigford” case after the name of the lead plaintiff–that black farmers had brought against the government. As a result of the Pigford settlement, the government eventually paid $1 billion in compensation to 15,640 claimants.

    However, 73,800 additional people applied for compensation after the final September 2000 deadline that had been set for claims applications.

    The U.S. Census Bureau’s Statistical Abstracts for the United States indicate that in the period from 1981 through 1996, in which the alleged discrimination took place, the number of black farmers in the United States peaked at 33,000 in 1982. But the 15,640 people who actually received compensation under Pigford combined with the 73,800 who applied for compensation after the deadline represent a total of 89,440 potential claims.

    In 2008, then-Sen. Barack Obama managed to get $100 million included in the annual farm bill to pay compensation to black claimants who missed the September 2000 deadline in the original Pigford settlement. In February 2010, Vilsack and Attorney General Eric Holder reached a new settlement with the black farmers—called “Pigford II”–to provide a total of up to $1.25 billion in additional compensation payments to black farmers whom the USDA allegedly discriminated against in the 1981-through-1996 period.

    In November, Congress approved $1.15 billion (to add to the $100 million Obama had inserted into the 2008 farm bill) to complete appropriations for the $1.25 billion in additional compensation payments. Obama signed that funding into law late last year.

    The controversy over whether additional compensation payments are justified is in part fueled by the apparent discrepancy between the number of black farmers the Census Bureau says there were during the period in question and the number of people who are seeking compensation payments for being discriminated against as black farmers.

    Back on Oct. 14, 1999, John W. Boyd Jr., who is president of the National Black Farmers Association, presented written testimony to the House Agriculture Subcommittee on Department Operations, Oversight, Nutrition and Forestry, in which he said that at the end of the millennium “there will be less than 18,000 black farmers” in the United States.

    Another advocate Gary R. Grant, president of the Black Farmers and Agriculturalists Association, said in a prepared statement at the same subcommittee hearing: “In 1920, 925,000 farmers (14 percent) were black. Today, there are less than 17,000 depending upon the USDA definition of ‘farmer,’ but I assure you the number is far less.”

    The USDA indicated to that it takes allegations of fraud seriously and concedes there need to be strong provisions in place to prevent fraud from taking place in the distribution of the $1.25 billion in additional compensation money made available by Pigford II.

    The new settlement, a USDA spokesperson told, includes stricter oversight provisions than the initial settlement did. The spokesperson said the USDA will be closely monitoring the payouts in the months and years ahead.

    The law providing the $1.15 billion for additional compensation payments, in fact, includes a provision that requires the USDA Office of Inspector General and the Government Accountability Office to audit the payouts as a means of preventing fraud.

    Reps. Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) have joined King in calling for a probe into potential fraud in the Pigford payments.

    “It’s our fiscal and fiduciary duty to the taxpayers to do an investigation,” Bachmann told “We don’t have the facts and circumstances of even one case before Congress to show discrimination. Yes, there may have been discrimination. If there was, we need to go in and investigate that to see if the proper amount of money was awarded to the claimants. Perhaps they deserve more. We don’t know.”

    The Pigford I consent decree approved on April 14, 1999 stated that a claimant must have “owned or leased, or attempted to own or lease farm land;” “applied for a specific credit transaction at a USDA county office;” “the loan was denied, provided late, approved for lesser amount than requested, encumbered by restrictive conditions, or USDA failed to provide appropriate loan service, and such treatment was less favorable than that accorded specifically identified, similarly situated white farmers;” or “USDA’s treatment of the loan application led to economic damage.”

    In 2005, the Associated Press and other news organizations reported that three people pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Jacksonville, Fla. to conspiracy to submit false claims to the USDA to obtain payments from the Pigford settlement. According to the National Journal, the USDA has said that the FBI prosecuted a total of 3 individuals for making false claims following the Pigford I settlement.

    A congressional investigation of the Pigford settlement would “make the victim the enemy,” said Grant, president of the Black Farmers and Agriculturalist Association.

    “I don’t think it [fraud] was any major problem in Pigford I and I don’t see it being any major problem in Pigford II. The process itself is there to help eliminate and catch people who might be trying to slip in under the radar as they say,” Grant told “I’m all in favor of ensuring that no one gets through this that does not deserve to get through it. But there are ample folks that have legitimate claims.”

    Grant said Bachmann and King “should be ashamed” for demanding an investigation.

    King said he has many copies of Pigford I claims applications in his possession that he thinks should be examined. He stresses that he believes that the USDA did discriminate against some black farmers and thinks that the USDA officials guilty of that discrimination should be or should have been fired.

    “I believe it (discrimination) happened, as I understand there were complaints that were thrown away or just destroyed or never acted on, so there is some substance,” King said. “I believe that to be true and I believe that they should be compensated for the damage they suffered because of that racial discrimination.”

    But that does not make it acceptable to payout fraudulent claims to people who were not discriminated against, King said.

  48. NeeNee says:

    Denise questioned Target store having to
    change their name.

    What about the very word “shoot”?
    Guess basketball players will have to just
    “aim”—nope can’t do that either, as that’s
    what the evil gun people do. Maybe they
    will “propel” the ball to the basket.

    What about the children of yesteryear

    who played marbles? Those big “shooter” marbles
    would certainly be politically incorrect, huh?

    Oh, and gardeners will have to call
    green “shoots” something else, too.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Wells Fargo bank??….those old Wells Fargo stagecoaches had “guns” on them and sometimes the guards who rode with the money would “shoot” the guns

      The parachutes for the military? can’t have that….somebody that don’t spell gud mite think yer saying para-shoots (or worse—a PAIR of shoots)

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Can’t have political “campaigns”, either. That sounds way too military.

  49. llauren11 says:

    in view of his many blunders, the town needs to ask sheriff DOPEnik to a sheriff appointed or voted in?

  50. sundancecracker says:

    I intentionally put myself through watching Mr. Tingles tonight to see how rabid he would be. It defied even my wildest expectations. He is totally blaming Palin. Totally. Showing the Target 20 visual 8 times. The guy is a whacko, I want to go on his show just to talk him down. He is nuts. Some examples.

    He claims no other country, including specifically mentioning Mexico, has the same violent political problems that we have in America. WTF #1

    He claims NO liberal has ever used gun conversation, or gun verbage in political discourse. WTF #2 See Joe Manchin, See Barack Obama, See Paul Jankorski (D-PA) mentioned above.

    His panelists just go along with assertations, even those “supposedly” representing a contrary point of view. He is absolutely ground zero for the evidence of “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder”. Hopefully the videos will be swarming the tubes tomorrow, there were so many singlets that could be used to say “WTF” and expose his idiocy. Absolutely unreal.

    • yomotley says:

      Most when they sell out at the destruction of another eventually go mad. Matthews is on his way oe may have already arrived.

    • JRD says:

      How could you? I can’t even look at the fat pig!

      Ya know, once while walking around the perimeter of Yankee Stadium to find my gate of entrance to attend the World Series I looked up and fat boy, tingles was walking toward me. I looked him straight in the face and said, “Hey, what are you doing here?” I swear he almost pulled his trench coat up over his head because everyone knew that he wasn’t a Yankee fan. And let me tell you those Bronx fans ain’t too nice.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Thanks for that, Sundance. We do need to have first person reports. We don’t get cable out here in the boonies anyway and don’t have satellite, so we are spared but the first hand reports remind that it is that bad.

    • sundancecracker says:

      Liberalism is a mental disorder reliant upon a victim mentality. Generally they always frame themselves as a victim of sorts. However, when describing events the term “victim” is subjective in their bizzaro illogical rationale. At times it can mean the subject of attack, at other times it can mean the perpetrator, it just depends on what ideological framework they need to reinforce their view. Example Iraqies were victims, US military were the perpetrators (during Bush). However, motive and cause are always fluid.

      Fort Hood: (Muslim/Religious Perp) motive and cause? restrain and refrain until evidence proves motive.
      Tucson: (White Male/Political Perp) motive and cause? Immediate right wing extremist, tea party, provoked by right-wing nuts, Sarah Palin fault.

  51. Kristi says:

    WOW… O’Reilly…! On fire!

    Anyone else watching?! Whew…

  52. DeniseVB says:

    Sheriff Dupnik seems to have Rush in his “crosshairs”. Wish he’d shut up, Rush will have him for breakfast…..

  53. AFinch says:

    Hey, I just noticed that when I point my mouse on my computer screen, sometimes it shows the following symbol: + . Does that mean I’m supposed to shoot it?

    • WeeWeed says:

      Well I do, Atticus, but maybe it’s just me. There’s dead ” + “s all over my computer. And some damn “sheriff big-time” blaming it on Sarah Palin and poor ol’ Rush.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Well, I’ll tell you what, folks, if ridicule is a good weapon against the leftist alinskyites, this is gonna be one fun war: 3 parts patriotism, 2 parts fury, and 4 parts truth all.l.l.l.l.l.l. wrapped up in shiny, sparkly RIDICULE… I’m gonna bust up every time I think all those poor little +++s laying around your computer.

  54. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Glenn Reynolds devotes some words to the idea that the graphic symbols on SP’s website were actually printer’s marks:

  55. Kristi says:

    Are you kidding me? Using the shooting to bash Palin and FUND RAISE.
    liberals are insane.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Well, I’ll say it again. If you really want to know what makes sense to these awful people, watch the Paul Wellstone memorial service taken over by that mindset. Someone linked the video on yesterday’s open thread if you want to take the time. 179 minutes of sheer horror. This really is the way they think. These really are the things that they think make sense to their followers. And apparently, to some of them, it does make sense. It just really is that bad.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      This article from the UK hits the left right on the head, and ends with these paragraphs:

      “History shows how dangerous it is to try to second-guess the motives of political assassins.

      “John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan because he was obsessed with the actress Jodie Foster, not because he hated Right-wingers.

      “Likewise, Lynette Fromme tried to shoot Gerald Ford because she revered the cult killer Charles Manson.

      “But those lessons from ­history won’t stop some Democrats exploiting the shooting of a nine-year-old girl and five others at the weekend with precisely the sort of foam-flecked over-reaction for which they love to condemn their opponents on the Right.”

  56. sundancecracker says:

    Michael Steele within striking distance for another term as Chair RNC…

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