Open Forum: Monday, December 6, 2010

Good morning trail people. Sorry for the late start this morning. It was a balmy 9 degrees when I left the house this morning to fly to Minneapolis where I expect it will be even colder. The little cup of creamer I received on the plane with my coffee was frozen solid. I could use some Gorebull Warming right about now.

I hope your week is off to a good start.

155 Responses to Open Forum: Monday, December 6, 2010

  1. zmalfoy says:

    Good Morning Sweeties! It’s Monday, and I’m procrastinating already. But, I woke up, so that’s good. . .

    Here in the DC area, we’ll be having a high of 35 Deg. F. If the current weather patterns continue into Jan and Feb, we may have a repeat of last year’s fun.

    In other news, I totally cleaned up at Dreidel last nigh. My roommie’s fiance is Jewish, and Mom’s gift to him for Hannukah was a box of gelt. Which I ended up winning all of. But then I divvied up my winnings, and kept only a little over half for myself, giving the rest to him since it was his gift. Good gelt– Dark Belgian Chocolate. Nice.

    • zmalfoy says:

      Night. Last Night. Need to find my coffee. . .

    • AFinch says:

      Ooh is Dreidel like Texas Hold ‘em? I thought it was a toy. Please explain for us Gentiles in the audience.

      • zmalfoy says:

        Okay. Here’s how we played (two Catholics and one Jew):
        The Dreidel has four sides, each with a Hebrew letter: Gimel, Nun, Hay, and Shin.
        Everyone starts with a pile of gelt. Everytime someone has a turn to spin, everyone tosses in one coin. So when I spin, I toss in a coin. When my friend spins, I toss in a coin. Etc.
        When spinning, each letter-side means you give or get something:
        Gimel– you get the pot!
        Hay– You get half the pot.
        Nun– You get nothing, but you give nothing either
        Shin– You pay two coins into the pot

        When you’re out of gelt, and there’s no more to get from the “bank”, you’re out. Play until you either stop on your own, or one person has all the gelt.

        That’s how we played last night. Before last night, I hadn’t played in 15 years, so my spinning was rusty. When Roommie’s Fiance once spun badly, we teased him about “Spinning like a Catholic”– since we’d had some crappy spins for the first half of the game.

        ^_^ Good times, good times. . . and yummy chocolate. . .

        • wendy ann says:

          Ahhhh….thanks for the explanation – guess that’s what those chocolate coins (wrapped in gold foil) are for….

    • wendy ann says:

      I am in Loudoun Co VA (40 miles west of DC) – and I can’t believe how c-c-c-o-l-d it is this morning…don’t know how y’all from the Midwest deal…but God Bless you! And crank up the heat!

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        It’s 10 above here at 3:00 pm and we’re just as pleased as punch. It was supposed to be 15 below this morning, it wasn’t!! Yea, us!

  2. JRD says:

    Buon Giorno Honeys,
    All you snow bunnies will be happy to know that we are freezing our butts off in south Florida this morning and that it is supposed to stay this cold until at least Thursday. Rush always reminds us that it never gets this cold here unless Al Goracle is in town. Stay warm everyone. I think I’ll bake some cookies. Where’s Hillary?

    The ‘Unexpected’ Consequences of Progressivism

  3. Auntie Lib says:

    Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy! It’s 5 degrees right now – expecting a high of 18 late this afternoon under mostly clear, blue skies. You are all welcome to join our “Support Global Warming” club.

    Have a great day everyone!

  4. phillycon4 says:


    Its freezing and windy (which is worse) in Philly as well.

    I’m wondering if this is a NE thing or not, but does anyone else do luminaries on their street? Luminaries are bags of sand with candles in them all lined up and down streets on Christmas Eve, its a beautiful effect.

    • phillycon4 says:

      Gotta love you tube:

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      I don’t think I’ve seen luminaries before. Thanks for sharing!

    • Library Countess says:

      It’s done here in FL… my dad and his neighbors actually made up electric ones and their development lined many of its streets with them. It used to be one of the “go to” places at Christmas for decoration viewing.

    • Good afternoon Philly, out ‘west’ in the Burgh we do luminerias on Christmas Eve. Legend goes, the protected candles light the way to receive the Christ child.

      Out here, some Boy Scout Troops ‘make’ and deliver the lumineria as fundraisers. They make an awesome visual when the entire street (our Jewish neighbors participate:) ) joins in.

    • AFinch says:

      My college campus used to do them one night right before Christmas break. The students were responsible for them for the most part. It was beautiful.

    • katzemeow says:

      Oooooh I love luminaries…. some neighborhoods here in AZ do it as a group, it’s also pretty common to see those in the rural areas (like mine) with long driveways to line it with them.

      The best though is going into Phoenix to the Botanical Gardens for their “Las Noches de las Luminarias”

      more pictures here:

      You have to park off ground, then a shuttle bus takes you up to the gate (with their lights off) and you spend the evening walking the desert paths lit with the luminaries and beautiful soft christmas music all around (live & recorded). The set up little “snack spots” along the way to get cookies, cocoa & cider even.

      It’s very popular, so tickets can be hard to get (although not too expensive) especially if you go for a romantic date night kind of thing.

    • violet says:

      If you live where the temperature stays below freezing for long stretches of time, you can make really beautiful ice luminaria using water balloons. I used to do this project with my kids when they were little and they loved it. You get a bunch of good big round balloons, fill them with water and knot them closed, set them inside a shallow cardboard box (with the knotted ends on top), and set it outside. You want them to freeze part way — enough to create a thick-walled sphere with a hollow center. It’s a little tricky figuring out when they’ve frozen enough — how quickly they freeze will depend on how cold it is, the size of the balloons, and other variables — so make a lot more of them than you think you’ll need and count on having a fairly high mortality rate. When you think they might be ready, test one by cutting off the knot and peeling the balloon off the ice and pouring out the water that remains inside. If you timed it correctly, you will have a nice round ice globe with an open top and a hollow core. When you put a votive candle inside and light it, and the light shines through the walls of the globe, the effect is absolutely beautiful. I like to make a whole bunch of them and line them up on the front porch railings when guests come over. You can use them to line a walkway or driveway or whatever your imagination suggests. If you have children or grandchildren, have them do this with you. It’s really fun and the results are gorgeous!

  5. Patriot Dreamer says:

    What happened to the ‘warmest year on record’: The truth is global warming has halted

    last sentence in the article:
    The question now emerging for climate scientists and policymakers alike is very simple. Just how long does a pause have to be before the thesis that the world is getting hotter because of human activity starts to collapse?

  6. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Wikileaks mystery continued: Introducing source ‘Y’

    additional reading:

  7. Jennifer H says:

    Mornin’ all, it’s 36 here in Spring Tx. the horses were all frisky and jumping around this morning when I led them out to pasture. I love to watch them frolick, though you would think that they wouldn’t be affected with their winter blankets keeping them warm.

  8. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Van Jones Predicts ‘Potential Nightmare Scenario’ of Social Unrest

    • Just what he has been working toward for many years.

      • zmalfoy says:

        Yes. I keep trying to tell people in my personal life that they’re hoping violence erupts, so they can implement even more extreme measures. Or, if we don’t erupt, we continue to slog into atrophy.

        What is needed is to keep the pressure on the new congress, and come 2012, do what needs to be done, in terms of firing Congress-critters, and firing the current regime, and electing someone who will allow our economy to heal.

        • stellap says:

          I have to put this quote here, even if it isn’t ‘exactly’ appropriate, just because it’s you, zmalfoy:

          “Dark and difficult times lie ahead. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy.”

  9. phillycon4 says:

    Interesting analysis of the “No Labels” Movement:

    David Frum, Speech Policeman
    Who appointed these guys the referees of American political debate?

    • AFinch says:

      Thanks for that. This reminds me of a recent conversation with a colleague who I suspect is a nolabeler or will be. He was lamenting about heated political rhetoric claiming that “the fringes” are dominating the discussion. I pointed out that some of the most troubling political statements the last two years have come from Obama or high level members of this administration, so it’s hard to blame the state of affairs on the fringes. No response. In a later email discussion, he said he had a problem with people referring to any segment of the American people as enemies. I sent him a clip of Obama calling his political opponents enemies. Still have not heard back from him.

  10. TNWAHM says:

    Good Morning fellow honeys; it’s 29 here in Memphis with a high of 42 for today and tomorrow.

  11. Jennifer H says:

    Wowsa the Pigford I and Pigford II are breaking Wide open today over at
    Holy smokes, Obama is in it up to his eyeballs.

  12. Jennifer H says:

    This Really makes my blood boil this morning – neither of my states Senators could be bothered to vote on the tax cut legislation. They were two of the ten Republicans who couldn’t be bothered to cast their votes. Grrrrr !

    • WeeWeed says:

      Well, well….we shall be remembering that soon, won’t we??

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      Bar Stool Economics and How Taxes Work

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        Darn, I meant this to be posted at the bottom of the thread.

      • sundancecracker says:

        Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100 and if they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

        The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
        The fifth would pay $1.
        The sixth would pay $3.
        The seventh would pay $7.

        The eighth would pay $12.
        The ninth would pay $18.
        The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.)

        So, that’s what they decided to do.

        The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.” So drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

        The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

        And so:
        The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
        The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

        The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
        The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
        The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
        The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

        Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

        “I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,” but he got $10!”

        “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too.. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”

        “That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

        “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”

        The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

        The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

        And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          And why is that all of us non-elite, “not-so-smart” folks understand the math of this, and the fools in DC either actually are really stupid, or want us to think they’re really stupid. Grrrrrr.

        • For what it’s worth, I wrote a post about this in 2008:

          The Parable of 10 Men in a Bar

          I know this is anal, but there’s actually a minor flaw in the story above… it ends up giving a discount of $21 instead of $20, and the sum of what the men pay after the discount is only $79 (2 + 5 + 9 + 14 + 49 = 79).

          If anyone wants to be a stickler and keep the discount to $20 and the bill at $80, what would likely happen is that the tenth man would be given a $9 discount and now pay $50 (a 15% savings from his original $59)

          And the other nine guys would still beat him up for getting $9 of the $20 discount.

          They don’t understand that after the discount, the 10th man actually pays a BIGGER percentage of the total bill than he did before! (The 10th man’s percentage increased from 59% to 62.5%)

          And now, if the “progressives” extend the discount for everyone except the 10th man, and allow the 10th man’s discount to expire (equivalent of what they want to do with the expiration of the “Bush Tax Cuts”), the 110th man would end up paying 66.3% of the total bill! ($59 of the now $89 total)

        • Menagerie says:

          I have a very small business. One of the metro areas around me is very tax unfriendly. I avoid working in that area if at all possible. Consequently, they get very few dollars from me. I would assume that if I feel that way with my tiny little business, other businesses surely must locate in surrounding areas.

  13. integrity1st says:

    I stayed up all night getting ready for today, and then discovered it’s tomorrow that I go to court. I am contemplating sending my story to all my Senators, so if I get wrongfully incarcerated AGAIN, they atleast have my story in their files and somebody will know where I am. (already tried DOJ, FBI, media and every other avenue-they don’t even look at it or the mountains of evidence). Are there any fabulous writers here that could review my summary and see if it clearly delineates and makes obvious the corruption – – – succinctly? I don’t know what to do anymore.

    • Jennifer H says:

      Don’t know if I can help but I can certainly take a crack at it-

      jenher_1 at hotmail

    • GracieD says:

      Sorry Integrity, forgot the email addy: patngracie at
      I can probably make sense out of it.

      • integrity1st says:

        Thanks guys. I’ve sent it to one Senator, but waiting on Gracie and Jen for any input before I send it to more. I think I will send it to Governor as well, but please know, I have been trying to get intervention on this for the entire ten years it’s been going on. It just gets worse and worse the higher up I go as the retaliation escalates.

        If you guys could help me gather email addresses to people like Beck, etc., maybe when I get it into shape, SOMEONE will care.

    • WeeWeed says:

      I’m dying to read it too, I1st….do send it to honeytrail though, so several people are aware of what is happening.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Will just toss out a generic caution (being tossed out by a completely unedumacated regular person)….serious legal problems are unlikely to resolved by random groups at what is apparently a late point (based on what you have shared Integrity)….if we have learned anything from liberals over the years, it’s that good intentions and real solutions do not necessarily occupy the same ground; and we ought not to pretend that they inherently do. Good luck to you, Integrity. It sounds like you have a serious situation on your hands. I trust you be able to find apprioriate assistance.

  14. yomotley says:

    Very late start this a.m.. with a house of sickies. Glanced in a few times, went to respond, and had to change course. It is cold and what fries my petunias is the fact that it IS cold but we are not getting the snow that was promised by the weather channel. If it is going to be cold, I prefer it pretty.

    Anyone know where the 1979 miniseries Downstair at/in the White House can be watched for free?

    Lame Cherry is coherent to the masses today; not just to LC translators and talking about missile off Cali coast.

    Keep talking!

    Added: Anyone have verizon and know how to block a call from coming through the phone?

    • stellap says:

      Sorry to hear about the sickness. Is is the flu? My daughter said they have an epidemic of rotovirus in Cook County, IL, and I heard at least one school in this area was closed for a day or so for the same thing here.

      We didn’t get much snow either; it is either east of me (along Lake St Clair) or north of me, in Canada, and in western Michigan. Detroit area only got flurries.

      Can’t help you with the other things, unfortunately. Hope you day improves!

    • AliRose says:

      It seems to me that I knew how to block calls at one point, but I’m not entirely sure. I believe you have to log in to the website or call and have them do it manually.

    • I had to go pay LC a visit (hadn’t been ‘there’ in weeks). The syntax is clearer; more understandable. Almost like a different writer (def masculine, and for the longest time I couldn’t figure LCks gender). I read back thru Saturday’s Paper Ring post. Good reads and followable logic on a lot of current events.

      Thank for the reminder, motley :)

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Yeah, I have to check out LC, too. I gave up for awhile. I have my own days that go the way LC goes, it seems, and my brain needs to not be encouraged in that direction!!

    • WeeWeed says:

      Not sure that this is any help, but I did notice tonight on a call that at the end, where you hit an “end” call button, there’s a little lock to the left. Maybe if you answer it and lock it, it can’t call you again. But what do I know. I hate the little sombitch. (smartphone, y’all, smartphone.)

  15. GracieD says:

    Email the info to Gov Jesse Ventura. I do not always agree with him, but that man is not afraid of the Devil himself.

  16. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Folks, I’ve landed back in Amsterdam, where there’s snow and ice on the ground and a fog in the air (as though one were in London). Quite a change from California or the even warmer climes I was in after that. In face, it’s looking as though this winter will reprise last year’s. Where’s Sheik Al-Goor to blow some hot air when one needs it?

    It’s going to take some time for me to catch up on what’s been going on both in the State and here, after a long stretch of being seriously incommunicado. Over at HB I see alarming reports about the Misadminstration’s designs on the Internet, but otherwise I haven’t yet come across any supporting evidence. Does this represent yet another feint on O’s part to distract us from other things?

    C4P is upgrading their site — so far it looks good.

  17. Patriot Dreamer says:

    POWER GRAB: FCC Commissioner Calls for Gov Run ‘Values Test’, Control Over Minority Characters, Programming & Scheduling of TV

  18. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Moody’s downgrades Hungarian government debt

    The government is also planning to fill budget holes with some $13.3 billion (euro10 billion) accumulated on private pension funds. People opting to stay in the private pension scheme instead of transferring their savings and all future contributions to the state system by the end of January will lose 70 percent of their pensions when they retire, Economics Minister Gyorgy Matolcsy said last month.


  19. zmalfoy says:

    Hope for our Nation!
    Kathy Griffin booed by service members when she calls Bristol Palin “fat”:

    God Bless our Troops!

    • Kristi says:

      Bristol Palin fat?

      Seriously? Good grief.

      Very proud of our troops to boo her.

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        She’s not fat, but towards the end of DWTS it looked like she had a little belly bulge. Progs were saying she’s pregnant again. Mean.

    • phillycon4 says:

      Looks like PDS extends to BDS.

    • yomotley says:

      This is why I like this place so much: All the links. This is another story I would have missed if I had not been hanging here. Typically, I click on a link and then once there, find more links to click, and then again at the next “stop” and I have been taken places I would not have found on my own wanderings.

      • zmalfoy says:

        Agreed. I love keeping the tradition of a daily thread where the community gathers to share items of interest, be they downright serious or of a more lighthearted nature. It’s a great way to share resources, and get a good overview of things that might fall outside our normal rounds.

    • Hooray for our heroes! You can always lose weight but you can not cure ugly.

  20. AFinch says:

    Remember the story a few days ago about a Chase bank in Texas removing an “offensive” Christmas tree from its lobby? Well I’m happy to report that Minnesotans have not taken leave of their Christmas senses. (We’ll talk about the Franken election another time.) When I walked into the downtown building for my meeting this morning, I was greeted by not only beautiful and tasteful Christmas trees and other decorations, but also the sound of a piano and violin playing live Christmas music. Beautiful.

  21. Its in the twenties, snowy and windy in the Pittsburgh area this afternoon. Just a couple inches of GloBull Warming to scrap off the vehicles this a.m. With just a few more to come.

    Everyone dragging from staying up til midnight to watch the Stillerz on Sunday Night Football. Ok, its not the staying up late that causes the sluggishness…but how can one adequately enjoy a game without mock tailgating? I see the Steeler’s James Harrison as Palinesque (admittedly, buffalo chicken dip and a couple brews clouded my creativity).

    Glad to see Breitbart exploring all things Pigford. Jennifer H has the linky posted above…I hope Limbaugh gives Pigford I, II, and the Sherrod/Obama connections on air visits. Beck has discussed (not sure about Hannity or any of the other bigtime talkers).

    I am intriqued by Motley’s discussion of LameCherry missile post. Will spend the rest of my lunch break reading (instead of venturing down the hall to the candy machine…they restocked the Snickers!!!)

    • Menagerie says:

      I admire your dedication and restraint! (said as I sit here eating heath bar ice cream). Hey, it’s because of my sore throat.

      • yomotley says:

        And I just had a Mr. Goodbar! I like to have a bite of Mr. G, then a couple of Lay’s potato chips, then Mr. G, and so on. Fortunately there are not chips in the house!

  22. Kristi says:

    OMG… its 14 degrees here in north Indy.

  23. sundancecracker says:

    The left is filled with idiots !!! Just plain stupid idiots !!!!

    NEW YORK — U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer is seeking to make it illegal for anyone to distribute or record the revealing images produced by full-body scanners at airports.

    The Democrat planned to announce such a bill Sunday. Penalties could include up to a year in prison and fines up to $100,000, or both.

    What is wrong with these flippin legislative morons. The body scanner images already aren’t supposed to be misused! So exactly what are you legislating.? Or are you now freely admitting that the entire TSA scan profile is illegal, and you are worried that your unmentionables might be visible in your next run for elected office? “Hey Chuck” …here’s your sign.

    “Anyone who would try to use these images for purposes other than security should be severely punished,” Schumer told The Associated Press.

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      Perhaps with some of our Critters they’re worried that any full-body scan taken of them, were it leaked to the public, might reveal an embarrassing empty cavity which a brain is supposed to occupy …

    • Bijou says:

      Not only that, Sundance…
      The TSA has actually claimed that the scanners’ computer software makes it IMPOSSIBLE to ‘save’ the scanned images! At ALL!
      I saw a representative say this myself. The body scans could only be viewed in real time and then they just evaporated. No ‘save’ function or capability existed.
      This was supposedly a ‘security feature’ to prevent possible abuse of the scans and violation of the scanee’s privacy.

      Schumer is one of the worst excuses for a ‘politician’ around. His dishonesty is exceeded only by his stupidity.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      Repeating what you said….but the only word that comes to mind is….idiots.

    • Thomas Hooker says:

      I don’t care what fines or punishments he wants to legislate, it is fundamentally wrong for broad swaths of the public to be required “to stand naked before their government.” Wrong. Without even adding in the health risks.

      • sundancecracker says:

        TH, that is exactly and succinctly well said.

      • WeeWeed says:

        Oooooh, gawd, what does that remind us of…..I shall not say the words, nor time frame.

      • Thomas Hooker says:

        Take the computer out of it. This is like requiring each passenger to walk naked through a small room while someone inspects them. The fact that it can be done while people keep their clothes on is a heinous deceit. If people do not stand up on this issue, it won’t matter who is elected to office.

  24. sylvansylph says:

    31 degrees here in Idaho. We have a bit of frozen snow on the ground left from last week’s first snowfall of the season.

    I’ve finished my small chores and am enjoying a baked potato with sour cream before getting ready for work. Next week I start working night shift and will be glad to get back to less stressful hours. I got married in June, so this change in work hours will allow us to have something approaching a normal life.

    Honey Trail is rapidly becoming my favorite must-read blog!


  25. katzemeow says:

    We are having a beautiful week here in AZ. High today of 77. However it never feels like Christmas time. I’ve lived in So Cal/AZ all most all of my life, so I’m pretty used to it now though. I lived in Denver for a year a while back and the one thing I loved the most was that it “felt” like Christmas with all the beautiful snow and lights.

  26. mugiwara says:

    As per yomotley’s request, a repost of my comment in regards to this clip:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, free broadband for nappy-headed children and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    ~excerpt from The Declaration of Independence, 1776 (revised 2010)

  27. Jennifer H says:

    HHS is putting end of life counceling back into Obamacare –

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      It seems to be about a year ago, the VA (Veterans Affairs) brought back this creepy end of life kind of booklet that asks questions like: do you feel you are a burden to your family?

      I’ll try to see if I can find that tomorrow.

  28. AliRose says:

    I’ve had this on my clipboard so long, I forgot what it’s about:

    Ah, yes…eminent domain. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that only applied to real property. This is taking things to a whole new level.

    • sundancecracker says:

      The flashing red alert beacon on the lighthouse of freedom is screaming for help on this one. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot !!!

      This Massachussetts consideration is outright “socialism”at work. But, beyond that it is a construct of union embedded socialism, which is quite far along the scale toward, and damn near, Communism.

      Anyone in Massachusetts with a close ear on this one, please keep tabs and provide an update. If they can successfully use eminent domain to confiscate private personal property (ie. items) not just land, then we are in bigger trouble than ever imagined. Irony of Ironies is the geographic location. The site of the ultimate and most visible “confiscation without representation” protest.

      Yet, will the people of this community recognize what a dangerous exploit they are about to consider.? Doubtful. As with all constructs that take away your liberty and freedom, you never realize until too late the unintended consequences of supporting what appears like a good thing. It is only a short step to the gulag from there… The municipality (or any gov’t) saying you are not buying the right type of car, or underwear, or pencil….. Think about it.

      • Ting says:

        The craziest part of this to me is when they quoted the guy who was lamenting the fact that the equipment would go dirt cheap in an auction, as opposed to the city’s eminent domain, which is supposed to pay fair market value. What better way for the city to determine fair market value than to buy the equipment at the auction – “dirt cheap”? Ridiculous, as well as nefarious.

  29. I got a link today to this:

    Ten Commandments stunner: Feds lying at Supreme Court
    Government tells modern visitors it’s Bill of Rights being honored
    November 14, 2006 at

    I was inclined to believe DuBord’s and WND’s version of the story, until I got hold of this document

    which says a letter by the sculptor says it is the Bill of Rights. The graphic in the doc is high res enough to zoom in closely on the sculpture and that’s where I got the clincher.

    There is a rising sun depicted on the pylon above the numbers. This would be an extremely inappropriate motif for a Ten Commandments tablet, but is common in American symbology – e.g., behind the striding Lady Liberty image on our silver dollars.

    I made a graphic about this fascinating bit of American historical trivia and posted it at

    MYTHBUSTERS – Bill of Rights, not Ten Commandments

  30. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Geert Wilders delivered a strong speech on a visit to Israel in Tel Aviv yesterday. A transcript can be consulted here:

    (Thanks to the blog Klein Verzet for the link.)

  31. Amsterdam Expat says:

    Also making waves in this part of the world (I saw a headline about it only some hours ago on a newspaper at the supermarket) is a statement by an elder Dutch politician (for years he was the brains in the classically liberal party here) to the effect that, given increasing anti-Semitism among the muslim immigrants in The Netherlands, self-identified Jews will have no future in the country and would do well to emigrate to the States or to Israel. The blog Klein Verzet has a good analysis of the shock he seems to have wanted to administer to the established political order — which has been thrown into a tumult by it — by means of this statement:

    • Amsterdam Expat says:

      Klein Verzet has been posting numerous entries over the last period of time, I see now. It’s a blog whose analyses are generally worth reading.

    • Thomas Hooker says:

      I just finished reading Mark Steyn’s “America Alone.” European birth rates are well below replacement levels, while Muslim birth rates and immigration position them for population dominance.

      • sundancecracker says:

        I read that too. Interesting long term ramifications in play on several aspects of civilization, not just religious, cultural, or ideological. Yikes !!

  32. sundancecracker says:

    The Obama administration, as part of last-minute negotiations with congressional leaders over the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts, is proposing a one-year payroll tax reduction that would cut the amount contributed to Social Security from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent, a senior congressional aide confirmed to Fox Business.

    Obama outlined a deal with congressional leaders that would extend the expiring tax cuts for all Americans temporarily for two years. Unemployment benefits for long-term jobless would through next year. And a lower estate tax rate would be extended temporarily.
    Summary Package:
    *Two year tax rate extension on all taxpayers.

    *13 month extension in unemployment payments.
    *35% Death tax rate. $5 mil exemption.
    *2% reduction in SSI tax rate for 1 year from 6.2% to 4.2%

    Your thoughts?

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      He’s trying to preempt Republicans on tax cuts, I think? Extending unemployment for 13 months is kind of confusing to me. That would extend benefits to about 3 years total. They’re trying to get Americans to accept 10% unemployment as the “new normal”.

    • TNWAHM says:

      Not good enough. Repubs need to stay the course. Permanent tax rates extended ~I would be for an actual cut~; NO extension on unemployment benefits; NO death tax; Not sure about ss tax. I think it needs a total overhaul, so off the top of my head, I don’t know about the ss tax.

    • sundancecracker says:

      As far as I can figure out. The SSI tax cut is to counter an offset from the “stimulus bill” that granted a 2% tax break in this year only. If nothing is done the actual tax $$ for those making $150k (couple) will increase year vs. year even if the rates are extended. So I think Obama is worried about this being used against him in 2012 vis-a-vi “I promise not to raise taxes on the middle class” and this used as an example. However, given Obaminable care, and all the other fees, taxes, etc. etc. That is going to happen anyway.

      I agree it is a weak gain for conservatives and more appeasement for liberals. Two year extension will just make it a 2012 campaign issue. Another 13 months of unemployment is absolutely ridiculous. That will bring unemployment payments to 160 weeks (over 3 years). What are we creating here… flippin permanent subsidized 10% unemployment? Think about it.

      Estate taxes should be set to zero permanently. That is a ridiculous tax anyway, and almost everyone works around it with “established trusts” in their wills and estate plans. The biggest and worst effect is always to a family owned farm type business, where the debt is in an “unincorporated” the family name and estate taxes can destroy a generational family farm. If there are to be estate taxes, agricultural estates should be exempt.

      Overall I think these concessions are horrid, and giving too much to the administration and leftist ideology. Yet, they will be sold as indicitive of compromise to appease the followers of the left. Goes to show you how radically left we are. Way, way, way too far left.

      Whose money is it anyway ???

      • Patriot Dreamer says:

        I think they want it to be a 2012 campaign issue. They think that the class warfare scam works. You know, those “evil” Republicans are only for rich people.

        • Ting says:

          But, if this is the accurate compromise, it will not be so easy to say “those evil Republicans are only for rich people.” The 13 month unemployment benefit extension and whatever that Social Security thing might be really mute that argument. It is not that I am in favor of these things, but I can see how it helps enhance more of a “Republicans are populists, too” sort of argument. I know I will use these things to make my liberal and progressive friends take another look, since there is obviously Republican agreement on these issues. Sometimes you have to start slowly to change minds. If something like this can get people to second guess the Republicans = rich people theme, then we can move further and further in the future, maybe with a lot more people onboard.

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          I’m afraid the class warfare scam does work with a considerable % of the voting public.

          However, I really don’t think his attempts to look like he’s cutting taxes are going to work with another considerable % of the awakened voting public. The phrase that keeps coming back to me over the months is, “We know who these people (including himself) are now”….and I don’t care if he puts in one tax cut after another. Promises from the devil are just postponed violence wrapped in pretty words. Tax cuts from obama are just lies told today that will be cashed in after the 2012 election.

          I’m about to drown in my metaphors.

  33. sundancecracker says:

    Why do you suppose Comrade Obama waited until after the midterms to fill a vacancy at the top of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives? So he wouldn’t inflict too much damage on his party by nominating an anti-Second Amendment zealot like Andrew Traver:

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  35. sundancecracker says:

    Elizabeth Edwards, the estranged wife of former Democratic Senator and presidential candidate John Edwards, is reportedly saying her “goodbyes” after receiving a devastating diagnosis from doctors about her struggle with cancer. According to a statement from the Edwards family, doctors advised her that “further treatment of her cancer would be unproductive.”

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