December 1st – Beginning the Celebration of Christ. Open Forum

Twas’ the First day of December
When all through Our land,
Many Christians were praying,
But not taking a Stand.

The PC Police, they had taken away,
the “reason for Christmas”; – and no one could say.

The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepherds, and Wise Men, and Angels and things.

It might hurt people’s feelings, the teachers would say,
for December 25th is just another “Holiday”.
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit,
Shoving folks to the floor and trying to get it!

CD’s from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod,
Something was changing, and that something’s quite odd!
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa,

In hopes to sell books by a: Franken & Fonda.

As Targets were hanging their trees upside down,
At Lowe’s the word Christmas – was no where to be found.
At K-Mart and Staples and Penny’s and Sears
You won’t hear the word Christmas; it won’t touch your ears.

The Smithsonian chose our Christ covered in ants,
To perpetuate “art” with some taxpayer grants.
Our spirit diminished, tearful angst in the air,

Just a prayerful Christian so filled with dispair.

Inclusive, and sensitive, Di-vers-i-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.
Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !

At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter,
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
And we spoke not a word, as they diminished our faith,
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace.

The true gift of Christmas dispatched and discarded,
The reason for season, stopped before It started.
So as you celebrate ‘Winter Break’ under your ‘Dream Tree’,
Or sipping your Starbucks, consider with me.

Choose your words carefully, choose what you say,
Then shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!
If the person who hears just stares with a linger,
You can give em’ a wink, but I’ll give em the finger.

327 Responses to December 1st – Beginning the Celebration of Christ. Open Forum

  1. NeeNee says:

    Whoa! Great modern day poetry! This is going out to all on my email list.

    In a similar vein—listen to this great ex-Marine
    singing the obscure, little-known second verse
    of The Star Spangled Banner. Guarantee goosebumps!

    • sundancecracker says:

      I have watched this a dozen times, and could watch it 100 more. Each time I get a lump in my throat with the simple, honest, decent, patriotism so evident in this guys eyes and voice. Really is beautifully raw and emotional.

    • AliRose says:

      Technicality…but that is actually the last verse of TSSB. I knew it wasn’t the second, because I know the words to the second. So, I “binged” the rest for anyone who’s interested. Great video, though!

      Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
      What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
      Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
      O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
      And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,

      Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
      Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

      On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
      Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
      What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
      As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
      Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
      In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:

      ‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

      And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
      That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
      A home and a country should leave us no more!
      Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
      No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave

      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

      Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
      Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
      Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
      Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
      Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
      And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

      • NeeNee says:

        Thanks for the correction, Ali.

        The rolodex in my 62-year-old brain was spinning
        when he said “second”, but I was too lazy to run upstairs
        to the music room for my patriotic anthology to make sure.

        BTW, enjoyed all your posts today. I don’t have much
        time these days to do anything more than check in occasionally for a read. Welcome to the Haven that is Honey Traill!

      • sundancecracker says:

        Thanks for sharing that. I love the meter of our national anthem and consistently find myself enjoying varying renditions. It really is a powerful work.

        Have you ever heard this audio work of the story behind it and Francis Scott Key:

        This past July 4th, I downloaded it with BigFurHat at IOTW and he archived it for me. Check it out, I think you will enjoy the story and especially the delivery. Also, if you have kids they might also enjoy hearing this version. Its powerful.

        • AliRose says:

          W O W ! That was great! I’m more than just a little teared up.

          You know…ever since I was in H.S. and I really started to listen to the words, I cry every time I hear the national anthem. A lot of people don’t realize the proper etiquette is to not clap or cheer when it is done, but to stand silently. I’ve had people tell me they’re clapping for the artist, not the song. I say the artist can get over not being cheered. They’re not there to sing the song for praise. Maybe if more folks followed this tradition, they would think more about the reverence and solemnity of the song, rather than just getting pumped up for whatever event they’re at. (For me, it’s usually hockey…Go Wings!)

          Listening to the story really hit home for me and emphasized even further how much our current leaders (and many American people) really don’t understand the true meaning of FREEDOM.

          Ok…I’m gonna go buy a new box of Kleenex, now.

          • Pat P says:

            AliRose, another Wings fan? Go Wings!

            A Michigander, I presume?

          • NeeNee says:

            Ooh, Ali. Our daughter & son-in-law currently live in Clinton Twp. He’s a pastor there.
            AND the pastor of our big Lutheran church
            grew up in Mt. Clemons and still has family there. Always a small world, isn’t it?
            Until, as Steven Wright used to say, you

            try to paint it!

        • Menagerie says:

          I had a seventh grade teacher who made sure to tell us the story before our trip to Washington. First stop on the way was Ft. McHenry. She made us take a few moments to stand and imagine the shelling, and what Key witnessed. I wonder if any teachers still actively live their patriotism. God bless you Mrs. Sorrels. I’m sure you are long gone from this world, but I give thanks to you for the difference you made in our lives. And thanks to Sundance, who makes me remember.

  2. yomotley says:

    Is this a Sundance Original?

    • sundancecracker says:

      Yeah, as with the Green Eggs and Ham ones, I’ve modified em’ and changed it up a bit kicking it around. My snarky Huckleberry side wanted to add the two last lines for this version. Guess I’m just a little less patient this year, with everything going on…. Grrrr…. (ya know). :)

      • Ting says:

        I have gotten your Green Eggs and Ham in several e-mails over the last few months – mostly from my mother’s 80 plus year old friends. They love it so much they just keep sending it around and around and around! But to be fair, most all my e-mails come from Target or my mother’s friends. This one is even better, Sundance.

        I have been wanting to ask you: Did you ever read over at Mostly4Us?

      • sundancecracker says:

        I just added another stanza about the Smithsonian. Sorry, its just the way my mind works… can’t shut it off. I kick stuff around, over and over, refining, and never calling it done. That is why I end up with so many versions. Just never good enough.
        Bits of rough drafts all around, scraps, etc. I’m not very fluid.

    • NeeNee says:

      Hey, Stacee!

      Didn’t realize it was you! You came over to Mostly4Us for
      awhile, no? How are your girls? Are you still in Hoosier country?

      Good to have you here. Read a little bit of the “kerfuffle” you had
      at HB today . . . just sad.

    • JRD says:

      SDB, Nice to see you. God Bless you for your patience. You’re a better person then me. I couldn’t stand hanging out at Fag Hags R US!

    • Kristi says:

      Yeah! You made it!

    • phillycon4 says:


      Yeah! We were all rooting for you yesterday, and strategizing how to get you here. Was it housemom? If so, thanks!

      • Stacee Barton says:

        Yeah I knew something was up when I was accused of being a “troll”…

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          I was following that, too. Glad you’re here. There are really so few comments to each post Over There. Kinda sad to watch the disintegration, but it needed to happen. Those who are lying about themselves and manipulating others ultimately overplay their hand, over-extend their supposed power and influence and, voila~~they’re exposed. It’s a good thing.

          • Pat P says:

            I just want to say – Hi Keverly!

            I assume, based on yesterday’s comment, that you are watching us.

            We are having fun. How about you?

          • emmajeri1010 says:

            PatP….just want to be sure: your 12:17 isn’t a response to my 9:19 (thinking my 9:19 was Keverly) is it? Please tell me it wasn’t! Your 12:17 probably just dropped in the wrong spot.

      • phillycon4 says:

        I wonder if there are any other peeps over there … what’s your take on JerseyGram?

        • CAS says:

          And capechick? She’s still posting over there but may be a good add here.

        • Kristi says:


        • Stacee Barton says:

          The more I think about it…so weird..don’t know how I missed it. It is weird that she is almost the only one talking over there…why didn’t I notice that before? Also some with the same gravatar but different names?? and really no KD anywhere to be found….

          • AliRose says:

            Are you thinking of my old rainbow afghan avatar? I retired it a while back, because I wanted to use it for my new blog id. I accidentally posted under the wrong id yesterday…ooops!

            • Stacee Barton says:

              No…I meant over on hillbuzz

            • AliRose says:

              Yeah…I meant on HB, too. I wasn’t sure if it was me or somebody else you were thinking of.

            • Ad rem says:


              I’m so glad you made it over here. I just want to compliment you for your well thought out reply to Eric4H re the USO thread….wise counsel indeed. Are you going to be blogging on quilting or knitting?

            • Ad rem says:

              Oh….I just noticed I could get through to your blog. (Yesterday it said ‘blocked’.) Oooh….it looks so pretty!

            • AliRose says:

              Thank you….I really like Eric and appreciated his acknowledgement, but I just felt like we were all a big family sitting around the dinner table and one person would say to the host, “Hey, I didn’t appreciate what you said.” And the reply would be the equivalent of “Have you seen the new movie coming out this weekend?” That’s just awkward and weird. Regardless of the excuse/reason, ignoring people is disrespectful. I’ve spent a lot of time teaching adolescents about assertiveness, so I try to focus on that in those types of situations.

              As for the blog…my apologies. I blocked it briefly for maintenance. Hope it didn’t affect too many people.

          • Ad rem says:


            Welcome to Honey Trail! I thought you waged a noble battle with the “troll buster”. ;-)

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          I still think about garlicnoho (or however that went)….there’s a person fighting the good fight and carrying a very significant personal burden for a family member………………

  3. sosmass says:

    Holy comoly was that good Sundance. Nee Nee, I beat you to it. That thing was forwarded before I ever got back here to post! Awesome.

    All, fyi and tell me if anyone dissaproves. I’m cutting, pasting, forwarding and doing all sorts of things with your great posts and verbiage, always identifying you as your names appear here, but calling you my friends, as in “My friend wrote this poem” . . .

    Hope all approve?

    • TNWAHM says:

      I second this request for approval to share the wisdom here with the world ~well, those in my circle anyway~

      I just posted this on FB with a link back here. Hope that’s ok.

      • yomotley says:

        Use the facebook button at the top of comments and it will automatically link.

        And definitely OK. So many times Sundance or YTZ or others would write something I wanted to share when at a different place and I did not because I would have just died if I sent someone to the site and it was on a day that the post was pornographic descriptions of sex acts. Oh well, once a prude always a prude, I guess. (And yes it bothered me I hung out at a place I would at times be ashamed to have my family and friends see me there. I just skipped over the yuck-yuck and went to all the good readers’ writings.)

        • violet says:

          We prudes need to stick together.

          • Ad rem says:

            Hi violet!

            You were the first one to drop a line on the USO thread and let me know that someone else cared. I’m so glad that you’ve decided to land here. I promise my kitty is bird friendly too. ;-)

            • violet says:

              Thanks so much for the welcome! I’m a little late to the party and have spent several sleepless nights trying to catch up on everything that’s gone on here. It’s been a real eye-opener. But I still have lots of unanswered questions. I know others here have moved on, but I’m still stuck in the twilight zone over what happened at our previous hangout. Could you please tell me where the proper place is to ask questions and get answers?

            • Ad rem says:

              The very first post…’Hello World’…is the best place to start. It’s over 500 comments long, but it’s pretty much a complete catharsis. Make a pot of coffee or tea, and give yourself a couple of hours.

            • AFinch says:

              Hi Violet–Are you the same “violet” with the two-dog avatar at the other site?

            • violet says:

              AFinch: I’m sorry for taking so long to answer your question; I hope you will see this. No, the Violet who posts at HB with the doggie avatar is someone else. I have not posted at HB since the day I was slapped down by Aussie. I am so glad to have found all of you here, as I was missing you very much!

            • I guess Aussie is an equal-opportunity offender, isn’t she. I am rapidly losing my sense of “specialness.”

    • AliRose says:

      I apologize for speaking for everyone…but I will anyway, ’cause I think it’s just common netiquette. Please step all over my toes if you disagree.

      If you post something in a public forum, you’ve given your consent for it to be shared.

      That’s all. It’s really “sweet” of you to ask permission, though. NEVER bad etiquette to do that!

  4. yomotley says:

    Sundance: Can you put Open Forum somewhere on this post?????

  5. yomotley says:

    NOTICE: There is a facebook button to post directly to your facebook wall. It is between the post and the comments up at the top of this page. It is real easy to do. No need to cut and paste. I will put other forwarding buttons as well.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      When you do that, then the comments are forwarded as well? Just wondering.

      • yomotley says:

        WEll, I tried it and it took the article to my profile wall but did not publish it to pubic. So did it again from the page where I read all my friends’ stuff (don’t have that many friends, though. I only take invites. Too afraid of rejection to ask to be a friend.) and there it was. One you press share it shows up with a link. It does not get posted until you press share button.

  6. sundancecracker says:

    “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

    – Author unknown. Original submission to Texas A&M University contest for a definition of a contemporary term. “Political Correctness” :) I just love it !!

  7. Thomas Hooker says:

    Making Lemonaid:

    • TXMom says:

      Excellent video, Thomas. That Atlas Shrugged contest attracts some interesting videos. I have not seen this one……I think it is my fave. Thanks!

    • Ad rem says:

      That little boy in the suit tugs at my heart. What a wonderfully entertaining way to present an important message. BTW…I’m surprised the FDA didn’t come out and shut him down!

    • sundancecracker says:

      Excellent video. Much enjoyed. Thank you. Thank you. for sharing…

  8. AFinch says:

    Awesome poem Sundance!

  9. GracieD says:

    OK, y’all, I have a concern about “net neutrality”. We need fo figure out some kind of way to stay in touch in case the worst actually happens, and the government shuts down the net. Would email be affected? How would we communicate if that happened? Has anyone else had these kinds of thoughts, or am I the only one? Being the independent type, I will go down swinging. I will NOT give up on America!

    • Library Countess says:

      We could start a private “group” on FB. Only “members” could see information and then we could post whatever info we want to share. I can take the info and make a spreadsheet with it, then email it to whoever wants it.

      I doubt they would shut down email; I suspect they’re going to go after any and all conservative sites, at least at the beginning. But I’m also not versed enough on the topic yet to be completely sure.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        I guess I might like that idea as well. Obviously, we all have varying degrees of “local support” with friends and neighbors in our communities…..but there is a distinct friendship and place for ideas on the Honey Trail. They might shut down Face Book if they get freaked out enough. Of course, we could make use of the Facebook function for now as a place to contact one another personally and share personal contact information. Relationships built on shared ideas are basic to personal freedom…another trail of crumbs to be laid!! Library Countess, thanks for your offer of spreadsheeting the info….what a blessing. We want to have links sort of across the country….if they ever actually start shutting things down, they are going to be flat out DISMAYED at what will rise up in opposition to them. Tojo (or the emperor?) was right when he commented about why he didn’t really want to wake that sleeping giant called America. These fools have already crossed the line….now it’s up to them what price THEY are willing to pay to be right.

        • Pat P says:

          Maybe we could include a file to ZurichMike, since he is located in Switzerland (isn’t he?), which is outside the jurisdiction of the USA. I don’t know quite how this would help us, but it sounds good to me. Ignore me if you think I have lost my mind.

    • Ting says:

      I worry about that. Just trying to round up folks we were hoping to see here has been hard. Without the internet, I would sure miss everyone.

      • yomotley says:

        How about a good ole fashion “line” like churches do. I call two persons, who each call two persons with the info and so on. With the way phones are set up now, it could be a recording so the message stays the same. This way, no one has to have everyone’s contact info. You know, sort of like how a prayer line works.

        • GracieD says:

          That works! Will email you my phone#.

          • yomotley says:

            OK. This blind trusting me with your phone number is unnerving. What if, like, I am a stalker or a nutso-kooko or something? How about people just email who they are in contact with and maybe then we can organize one of those calling “trees” but our numbers are not floating around with a bunch of people we don’t really know. (Gotta follow innertube rules that I set for the kiddies. Consider it equivalent to the safe sex version for the net.)

            • Menagerie says:

              Motley, where is the email contact for honeytrail again? I think a lot of us will email you because we may not be in contact with anyone else, and we know you arent’t a stalker, although you might be a nutso-kooko, which we are probably all ok with, right?

            • yomotley says:


              Honeytrail correspondence, as well as the blog is managed by several of us so I am not the only one reading the correspondences, just so you know.

            • emmajeri1010 says:

              So nutso-kooks are ok, but no stalkers!! This is so weird!….but i think Motley’s concerns are legitimate….

            • Ad rem says:

              Oh-oh….be expecting a lawsuit from the ACLU re the rights of the ‘stalkers’ not being equivalent to those of the ‘nutso-kookos’.

            • NotAMolly says:

              Sent my info to the honeytrail address. Thanks y’all.

    • integrity1st says:

      How sad is this? We’re getting to the point where instead of trying to stop it, we’re planning for how to get around it, because we know we can’t stop HIM – – – This was AMERICA.

      LOOK what he has done to this country!

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        On occasion, I’ve been screaming for 8 months in various places, “When is someone going to STOP HIM?” You’re absolutely right. The Current Authorities In Charge (and that includes all czars, Congresspersons, and bureaucrats) apparently are not interested in STOPPING HIM. Until I see somebody working on STOPPING HIM, everything they say gets the following response from me, “Well, we’ll see, won’t we?”

        • integrity1st says:

          Emma, that’s just too scary. We need to stop him/them. They are doing so many outrageous things that one day we are all focused on TSA. They rope off the machines for the holidays, resume the madness, and we’re all moved on to the next atrocity. Where will it end if we don’t start organizing and staying focused.

          • emmajeri1010 says:

            One of the things that freaked me out personally right after he moved into the White House is the speed with which one atrocity after another was rolled out. It was obvious that no one (least of all the Currently Elected Authorities) could respond effectively to one unspeakable thing after another, the rate at which they were coming. And it hasn’t stopped.

            That’s why the focus has to turn to STOPPING HIM. Not negotiating. Not “trying to repeal.” Not even using legislation….and I’m not talking about anything illegal, or God have mercy, any injury of the slightest kind to him. I’m talking about using the provisions of the Constitution….GOD HELP US! and give us MEN (including a few more Sarahs and Jans, who are real men in leadership today….) who will under our laws, under our Constitution, stop him.

            I was truly regretful that his mouth got cut. Iwanthimstopped.

            • Integrity1st says:

              Actually Emma, you gave me just the comforting words of how that can, and hopefully will, be done. The Constitution.

              Much as they try, they will NOT get away with that forever. God bless the Tea Parties. How many here are active in it?

            • GracieD says:

              I agree, Emma. I pray daily for the Secret Service, that they will keep him safe. Being somewhat of a Constitution geek, I fully agree on that point. Our Founders put in many stop the craziness measures, they simply have to be used by those who have the guts to do so. LTC Allen West is one person who will be fighting for The Constitution. There are good people who love our Constitution as we do, we have to find them, and convince them to run for office.

      • GracieD says:

        I agree, Integrity1st, my tendency is to plan for the worst, prepare for how to deal with it, and hope for the best. I am doing everything that I can think of…that is legal… to stop the madness of this Administration. I try to be the Cajun version of the Boy/Girl Scouts-always prepared, and make the best of whatever situation you find yourself in. I think Motley’s idea is a good one, but the only email I have is Honeytrail. I am FB friends with MQC, and a couple of others. As far as a stalker, Louisiana is a CC state, Mr. Ruger (P345) takes good care of me. I can put the entire clip center-mass in short order. I also have a background in Tang Soo Do (the same style as Chuck Norris), so I can handle myself if it becomes necessary.

  10. butch says:

    Wonderful!!! That’s MY honey!!!!!!

    • yomotley says:

      Welcome! (I think I have an idea who you may hang out with. Secret’s mine until you are ready to come out of the closet.)

      And you are right, he/she IS Wonderful and did Wonderful. Thanks for sharing her/him with us!

    • Ad rem says:

      You can always whisper it to the kitty. I won’t tell…..;-)

    • Integrity1st says:

      Hi Butch:

      I tried to find you and give you a warm welcome when you outed yourself on the other thread, (glad I caught that). Perhaps repost here for others? But my bigger question, since I have a spouse who, hopefully doesn’t see all the time I spend here is – – – Do you get it? Do you, from the spouse perspective, think there’s something special here, or is it just us [smile]

  11. wendy ann says:

    Sundance Sundance Sundance…you are a poetic genius – esp the part about the “finger”! Thanks for kickin’ off December with your fab poem!

    Here’s some more “pro” Christmas news:

  12. phillycon4 says:


    I remember you posting a bunch of these on the other site. Have you thought about compiling them into a booklet? You never know ….

    • sundancecracker says:

      I’ve got so many scrap and electronic versions of different ‘thoughts’ set to poetry and metered ryhmes, I wouldn’t know where to start or what to do. Generally, I just freestyle on either a keyboard or composition book, then set it down, revise, re-write, or add stuff off the top of my head. Really, no method to the compositions…. and I doubt I could find 1/2 of them again.

      But, you bring up a good point, one I have considered and just procrastinated on…. Thanks for your kind words. It makes me feel good that others enjoy em’, that really is the purpose behind writing for me. Its cathardic for my mind, and I derive great joy in seeing others enjoy them and smile. Thanks again.

      • integrity1st says:

        Suggestion? Friday leads with Fireside, and Sunday with Mailboxes. How about Saturdays with SD’s scrapbook, and we leave the rest of the week for timely issues, which, of course, we are still posting within the week-end comments as well.

  13. Library Countess says:

    Sundance… love the poetry! It’s actually more appropriate than you know… apparently there’s a new campaign in my town by the atheists who don’t like the “Jesus is the Reason for the Season” signs. They’re making their own signs, putting “Mithra” in the place of Jesus’ name.

    It is always interesting to me that Christianity is the religion attacked; I’ve yet to see an atheist attack Islam.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      That’s because the Muslims can arrange for someone to cut their head off for attacking Islam. I have yet to plan for any headcuttingoff when someone mocks Christianity. So I guess that’s why the athiests don’t go after Islam.

      I know a man who, along with his family, grew up in Islam, became a Christian, and now works to educate the west (anyone who will listen) about the facts and dangers of Islam. One little aspect of his life that probably doesn’t happen to athiests mocking Christianity: he and his entire family are on a kill list out of Pakistan and have been for years.

    • sundancecracker says:

      From an article read this morning:

      ….”Maybe Christians should launch a kinder, gentler campaign in response. They could quote Timothy Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC, from his book The Reason for God on the subject of common grace: “[E]very act of goodness, wisdom, justice, and beauty is empowered by God….He casts them across all humanity, regardless of religious conviction, race, gender or any other attribute to enrich, brighten and preserve the world.”
      God bless us, every one.

      (good read)

      In perspective my faith teaches me to love and cherish even those who choose to deem me as their enemy, or target for their spiritually absent agenda, such as this group of athiests filled with intollerance and belittlement. However, this dark narrative cannot be allowed to stand perpetually without confrontation. The absence, and diminishment, of spiritual comfort for the sake of tollerance will not be permitted to stand unchallenged. At least not by me, not now, no longer. God matters. And I choose to defend those wishing to be at peace with God, whomever they choose him to be.

      Right is right even if nobody does it. and Wrong is wrong even if everybody does it. Purposefully diminishing anothers beliefs in an effort to extend a manipulative ideology is just wrong on a very basic humanistic level. One does not have to agree in order to allow another peace within their own soul. Efforts to remove that peace from others is an evil work of shallow men.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Your comments are well-spoken. But bear in mind that the very DNA of Islam demands submission of all others and destruction of those who will not submit. So such good wisdom can be used by them to their own advantage, to hasten the destruction of those who limit themselves in an unequal fight. I don’t have the emotional strength this afternoon to think it through to be able to say it better, but neither God the Father nor Christ the Son ever made a fetish out of yielding ground to evil as a way demonstrating their own endless Holiness and Goodness.

  14. phillycon4 says:

    Don’t know if you have HBO or not, but Dennis Miller has a special. Its been DVRed, but I know his opening bit is about politics….

    • AFinch says:

      I heard about it but haven’t seen it. Is it worth watching? I remember hearing him talk about it and was under the impression it was going to be all political. Is he still offering back handed compliments to Palin?

    • phillycon4 says:


      I only got the first 15 mins., and he was bashing CA, and praising the election turnout. Then he veered off into the non-political .. I DVRed it, and haven’t gotten around to watching the rest of it. Nothing on Palin in those first 15 mins. though.

  15. emmajeri1010 says:

    Oh, my. Thank you, Sundance. Thank you.

    Excellent. True. Fine. Timely. Bold. Lovely. Well said. God-honoring.

    Very. Very. Good.

    BTW, I noticed when I was in Walmart a couple of days, they were playing Christmas carols (the ones we all grew up with) that mention the name of Christ, the purpose of His coming and the fact that angels and men deliberately acknowledged Him and gave glory to God at His coming. How ’bout them apples? I get disgusted with some of Walmart’s policies and practices at times, but they hit a home run on that one.

    God really has invited us to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. How nice to know folks on the inner tubes who think that’s a good thing.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      And now the PS here…..I hurried and posted the above when I was about 4 stanzas into your published work… I’ve gotten to the last line…so DH and I are screaming and yelling again. You are a gift. I personally couldn’t handle the finger-giving, but you are absolutely right. We do make a point of saying Merry Christmas, always.

  16. JRD says:

    sundancecracker, this is for you from my two little pooches.

  17. CAS says:

    Excellent work, SDC! With so many of us doing a copy and paste for email, it will be cool to see if it gets passed back around. First one to receive it from a non-Honey wins!

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I’ve already sent it to those who I’m pretty sure will crack up at the last line! We have lots of friends who would be right there up to the last line, and then just wouldn’t quite know what to do so I won’t be pressing them on their snark capacities today.

      • sundancecracker says:

        Feel free to delete the last two lines on any copying. The meter can/does stand without it. I contemplated the final draft not to include that part… but then my thoughts of the Smithsonian exhibit kinda picked up my ire and I decided to let it stand. But, full editorial lattitudes are extended to any considerations of respectful courtesy and manners, that would rightly, choose to remove my ‘off the cuff’ contemporaneous closing (ie. snark).

        • emmajeri1010 says:

          And don’t misunderstand, I LOVE those last two lines!! Absolutely perfect in today’s culture. It’s one of those things where….”I wouldn’t dare do that, but I’m glad somebody else did”!!

  18. Patriot Dreamer says:

    House May Block Food Safety Bill Over Senate Error

    Hmmm… Is the bill dead?

  19. phillycon4 says:


    Its was WC’s birthday yesterday! Here’s a good column. Supposedly, Joe Scarbourgh of Palin bashing fame, tried to compare Obama to WC? Anyway, check out this column:

    • Pat P says:

      I don’t think that Obama would want to be compared to WC, in a positive way, that is.

    • integrity1st says:

      THANKS Philly! I’m off with it, but refugees, what do you think of us starting a trend of making victory signs to people across the country as we go. They will no doubt take them as peace signs, but the informed will come to know we are greeting people with VICTORY against all Tyranny.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Oh, I think that has possibilities. Once enough Americans are doing it, those who don’t get it just won’t matter one bit. Think of Churchill with his victory signs!

      • MaryJane says:

        I like your idea!

        Her in the Iowa countryside drivers usually lift a pointer finger off the steering wheel when you pass. For years now I’ve lifted two fingers, making the victory sign. I’ve noticed more people doing it now.

  20. NeeNee says:

    Posted 2 hours ago on Newsmax:

    Are Part of Deficit Plan”

    The new plan by panel co-chairmen Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, to be unveiled Wednesday, faces an uphill slog because of proposals to

    * raise the Social Security retirement age and lower cost-of-living increases

    * cut Medicare costs
    * curtail a huge assortment of tax breaks, like the deduction for mortgage interest
    * almost double the federal tax on a gallon of gasoline.

    A new version of the plan, obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, makes mostly minor changes to a draft that whipped up enormous controversy when unveiled earlier this month. Some domestic spending cuts are modestly higher than previously proposed, and health care savings from overhauling the medical malpractice system would reap less than proposed earlier this month.

    Unlike their original proposal, Bowles and Simpson stop short of calling for caps on medical malpractice awards. Instead they recommend changes in how awards are made.

    But other proposals remain the same. Among them are a gradual increase in the Social Security retirement age to 68 by 2050 and 69 by 2075, using a less generous cost-of-living adjustment for the programs and increasing the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes.

    The plan also retains a 15-cent-a-gallon increase on gasoline, a three-year freeze on federal worker pay and the elimination of 200,000 workers from the federal payroll through attrition.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      * almost double the federal tax on a gallon of gasoline.

      Good grief! Gas is pushing $3 per gallon again already!

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      “Unlike their original proposal, Bowles and Simpson stop short of calling for caps on medical malpractice awards. Instead they recommend changes in how awards are made.”

      Can’t offend the trial lawyers!

    • NeeNee says:

      “Using a less generous cost-of-living adjustment for the programs and increasing the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes.”

      Yeah, it’s cheaper to cut Grandma an occasional $250 than to
      continue those pesky COLAs. My mother luuuuuuved getting those
      checks. Any ill will she had toward Congressmen who cancelled
      the COLAs was promptly Etch-a-Sketched out of her mind.

    • sundancecracker says:

      MQC, exactly. The media “filtering” for their chosen, and preferred, narrative is one of the evident, yet not blatently identified, hypocrisys. Great job on drawing it out.

    • Motley (and sundance)! Thank you for the kind words (and linky!!!)

      I stopped by during lunch to ‘catch up’ and was humbly surprised:)

    • integrity1st says:

      She always nails it. Her writing is awesomeness. WHY, oh why did I not get any snark genes?!?

      PEOPLE, where has our kitty been?

    • Jennifer H says:

      Yeah that made my blood boil whne they pulled that crapola.
      Clean ‘em all out I say !

  21. Shalini says:

    I was wondering, can we post pictures here? I guess the admin would have access to enable pictures as I’ve seen my friend add lobster pirate pictures on my comments just to tease me in his blog. I ask because I was going through my Calvin and Hobbes collection and found some very very funny quotes from Calvin. Like this one:

    Calvin: This bad grade is lowering my self-esteem.
    Miss Wormwood: Then you should work harder so you don’t get bad grades.
    Calvin: …
    Calvin: Your denial of my victimhood is lowering my self-esteem.

    Err… maybe it’s just my kind of humour. But pictures would still be great!

  22. Shalini says:

    Talking about PC crap, last night a got a message which said something on the lines of “Koran/Quran has 5 letters, Bible has 5 letters, Geeta (It’s actually Bhagavad *Gita* but, of course, let’s ignore it for convenience sake, okay?) has 5 letters. So all religions are equal.” :-|

  23. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Are we missing something in the Wikileaks story?

    I’m still wondering how a PFC had access to all of that data – even with a TS clearance. I believe that we integrated a lot of our intelligence after 9/11, but to what degree? I wonder how long ago “X” left the service and how current his information is. Storage devices such as flash drives and CD-RW’s are supposed to be prohibited or tightly controlled in TS environments, however.

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