Open Forum, Wed Nov 24th

What are your plans for Thanksgiving?

I learned today that the Chinese do not like turkey. At all. They call them “Fire chickens” (in reference to their tail feathers). They have Mandarin Hot Pot on Thanksgiving instead.

339 Responses to Open Forum, Wed Nov 24th

  1. ZurichMike says:

    ZurichMike is at home in Connecticut. Very nice to be home with my parents. Traffic from Newark yesterday was oddly very easy. Can’t wait for the big meal tomorrow and to see my siblings and their families. Today a little shopping. My sister is stopping by for lunch. Tonight my high school friends and I will meet up for a drink.

  2. Menagerie says:

    Big extended family gathering tomorrow. We all cook our specialties and we have tables full of the best Southern cooking ever, most from dear old recipes handed down through my husband’s family for two or three generations. I always do derby pies and sweet potato casserole. This weekend I’m trying out a new turkey recipe thanks to g8rmom7 and ytz4me.

    I’m sure many of you won’t stop in tomorrow so Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

    I’m especially thankful this year for all you military families and most especially spouses. While I’ve always deeply appreciated our soldiers, and known their families sacrificed so much, this year for some reason I have thought so much of parents alone with work,household duties, sick children, carpooling, and spending holidays far from their beloved. So here is a most humble and sincere thanks to all who serve at home and away. I pray God will bless and keep you all safe.

  3. emmajeri1010 says:

    Neighbors stopped in yesterday for a good long visit, cookies and coffee. Was such a nice, countrified traditional visit. Laughed our heads off over the childhood antics of of “him.” (Like us, they are in their 60′s) His wife kept saying, “He was such a brat when he was young.” I suppose the funniest was his story telling his friend to bring along one of his mother’s dresses and come out to the farm. Told his friend to put the dress on, claiming it would serve as a parachute and go ahead and jump out of the barn hay mow~~trust the dress. The friend did. No bones broken. Hilarious story from the 1940′s. And those really were the gentle times!

    Received an invitation for Thanksgiving dinner, but had to cancel. The dinner is 15 miles away, and by this time tomorrow, there will be 15 miles of winter storm/blizzard conditions between here and there. So DH’s new hip, our Siberian Husky and I will just get the fireplace going, have some pumpkin pie and watch some football with gratitude right here!

    Romans 1:21 is a kind of “loaded, back-handed” verse re the importance of giving thanks, but I like it anyway because it clearly encourages us (strongly!) to feel at home with gratitude: “For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him….” Gratitude and faith are not insignificant or lesser things to practice. They are powerful, God-given shoes that are made for walking through days such as this.

    • yomotley says:

      ZURICH MIKE. Wow. Wow. Welcome.

      Emma, Good morning. Do you keep a journal? Your writings, like the one above, compiled in a book, would be a perfect gift for family and friends.

      YTZ. nice opening.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Yes to lots of journal writing for 30 years….have self-published one 20 pager or so of poems and prose about spiritual growth and getting to know how God works. Called it “Mailboxes and Old Barns”…if any of you have survived rural winters, you know how important the glimpses of mailboxes and old barns through horizontal snow are! Tells you where you’re at, how close you are to home, and how close you are to safety. I’ve thought about doing a blog (I guess?) and posting stuff there. I have about 80 pages of varying length that are childhood memories in short paragraphs, that I’ve included in a couple of family history scrap books for our boys.

        • AFinch says:

          Maybe you want to post some stuff here?

        • yomotley says:

          Would like to buy of copy of “Mailboxes and Old Barns”, Well, actually I would like to buy several……….

        • YTZ4Me says:

          Yes. Kinda like our own coffee house?

          And can we have a book thread, and an economics thread? That would be sweet.

          Speaking of poetry, Studmuffin got assigned to a “working task force” which he is pretty frosted about, and the leader is someone who is always chastising people for not being concise enough when they give an well thought out answer to a complex question. So he’s responding to this person’s e-mails only in cryptic haiku to make his point.

          It’s so funny I have tears in my eyes, simply because I know the personalities involved.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Emma, beautiful. Stay safe and warm. Do you have someone to help you clear snow?

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        We do. Two neighboring farmers have offered to help in any way needed. And once the major driveway cleanout is done, DH DID give me “instructions for amateurs” regarding the snowblower, so I can do maintenance cleaning.

    • HisHandmaiden says:

      OC Thanksgiving love to fellow conservatives… and thanks for your Scripture, Emma… Meeting daughters and friends for dinner, love and gratitude sharing in La Jolla… so grateful to have both daughters nearby with this incredible Pacific… and my awesome boss and job and home… Thank You, Lord…

      • yomotley says:

        Welcome HisHandmaiden! We havc so much to be blessed for and thanks for sharing your blessings.

      • Ad rem says:

        Welcome HisHandmaiden!

        I didn’t know you were in the OC. My daughter’s in Irvine, and we’re in PVE. Outside of a few sprinkles we’ve had a pretty easy time of it haven’t we? I know what you mean about have the kids close…couldn’t imagine how much I’d worry if we didn’t see each other every other weekend. It’s great to have you here….it’s like a family reunion.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Welcome. Love your Gravatar ;)

        Your post makes me wistful. Good times were had in San Onofre/San Clemente. Bermuda of the west coast!

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Welcome, Handmaiden….

        • HisHandmaiden says:

          Thank y’all! Good to be here with such gracious new friends… Ad, stop by Wells Fargo on Von Karman in Irvine across from Marriott and ask for mj- The horse was a gift from God for Daughter #1 who has been riding dressage and training and praying for 10 years… God is so good! Love and gratitude to our military and their families… America is so blessed to have these selfless men and women!

  4. AFinch says:

    Good morning everyone and Happy Thanksgiving! I join menagerie in thanking all our wonderful military, including their families, who make it possible for us to enjoy this uniquely American holiday in the comfort of our homes.

    I know this is bad and if any of you tell my mom I’m going to be in trouble, but my family thinks we’re at my husband’s family’s and my husband’s family thinks were at my family’s. But really, we’re just making a simple Thanksgiving dinner for ourselves and the dogs and going to go see the Indiana Hoosiers beat up on a little team from who knows where on Friday.

    All the best to you and yours.

    • tnwahm says:

      I’m telling on you! Where do I find you mom’s number?

      Have a great, quiet day.

    • yomotley says:

      I am so proud of you! I notice you say the families “think” you are somewhere else. Nice. No “real” lying going on. Now, GOOD FOR YOU. It is important couples make their own traditions. Now that I think further, the same goes for anyone, not just couples. I still have warm fuzzy memories when I was single and a group of long-time friends, with no family in the area, included me in their tradition of T-day. It was the most relaxing holiday I have ever had.a Each brought a dish to eat that was only made every year for this get together. These were “designer” dishes and you were not going to get them anywhere else all year long. They had a box of board games that were used only for this day each year and everyone signed and dated the boxes each year. Each invited someone who may end up spending the day alone (me). And then watched tv with us all piled on the big king bed while we all ate cinnamon popcorn (which I have never been able to duplicate the taste) and drank cheap wine passed around in the bottle.

      What makes it special is every years since, even though I don’t even remember their names anymore, I know I am thought about when they read the game boxes and read my name, “Oh yeah, that waitress who did not say hardly a word and ate almost all the popcorn herself? I wonder what happened to her?” It is a warm feeling.

      Anyways, enjoy your day and each other. It is going to be just right.

    • Debra says:

      Good for you AFinch, for getting the Thanksgiving Day you desire!

      I think I’m getting brash in my old age (three whole decades!). My mom tried to get us to go to their house for dessert after our dinner with my in-laws, I told her no because I want it to be a relaxed day at the in-laws and didn’t want to rush off somewhere (we’ve got an early bedtime for the little one, so we couldn’t stay long anyways). I have no idea how my mom feels about this, but she gets us on Christmas and in laws get us on Thanksgiving, that’s just how it works for us. I refuse to make my holidays hectic and stressful.

      I also blatently say no to people asking me to do ministry opportunities (if I’m not available or just don’t want to!) and I say no to party invites without even feeling the need to come up with an excuse. I read the book Boundaries and it’s turned me into someone who felt the need to say Yes to everything into a No person!

  5. JRD says:

    WaPo has an article on Lt. Col. West. If you can get past some of the elite snobbery it’s not too bad. Here’s some tid bits.

    Regarding the left smear machine’s hatchet job of Joyce Kaufman, West said that he is “even more focused that this liberal, progressive, socialist agenda, this left-wing, vile, vicious, despicable machine that’s out there is soundly brought to its knees.”

    While others in the Republican Party’s large incoming freshman class jockeyed for office space, he declared himself largely indifferent. “I’ve lived in tents,” said West.

    Of course I had to leave a comment slamming the socialists.

    LMAO when I read that this district is 83% white and conservative. Nate Silver of Five Thirty Eight kept insisting that it was democrat when we had been represented by a Republican for 23 years.

    • AFinch says:

      Thanks for the link. To elite snobbery, add abject cluelessness. Do they really think West’s election had anything to do with a desire by the RNC to promote a diverse slate of candidates? Correct me if I’m wrong, but West’s election was driven 100% by tea party spirit. When are they going to learn that we want LEADERS? We do not care what they look like, where they went to school or what their parents did for a living.

      Does anyone have a doubt that if LTC West were running things, the ChiComs and NKors would be sitting quietly at home this Thanksgiving?

      • phillycon4 says:


        You are spot on vis-a-vis your analysis. Count in Buerkle and Renee Ellmers as well, they received ZERO assistance from NRCC. Palin was the only one to assist with $$$.

    • tnwahm says:

      Love this man! I can’t wait to see him shaking up things in DC, especially among establishment repubs.

      • HisHandmaiden says:

        Ditto! Palin/West 2012… love that he is a military historian. America needs godly leaders like this, for such a time as this…

    • JRD says:

      There has been an arrest made by the FBI regarding the lock down of Broward County Florida schools in the threats made to Joyce Kaufman who Allen West named to be his chief of staff.

      Please read it and let me know what you think. I reside in Broward County and I am biased. I rabidly want to nail the Soros marxist machine to the wall on this. You had to have lived in Fl-22 to experience the HATE the left had for Allen West during the campaign. It was very ugly.

      I sincerely believe that this was an orchestrated attempt by the left to take down Allen West, Sarah Palin, and to discredit the Tea Party movement.

      The arrested woman lived in Port Richie, Florida and was found in LA.

      In the final section of an email she sent to Kaufman, the writer referenced former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin by saying, “what does Sarah say, don’t retreat, reload! let’s make headlines girl!”

      Initially the arrested woman said that Rachel Maddow of MSNBC ran a hit piece on Kaufman that set her husband off. It stinks to high heaven of Alinsky tactics engineered by the Center for American Progress. The left definitely want another Oklahoma City moment. And they know they have to make it happen themselves.

      How can we prove that the despicable left did this and how can we not allow this story to be buried like they buried the story about the Tea Party screaming the n word to Lewis on the capitol steps.

      I want marxist Maddow to be totally discredited and lose her flippin job. I know the Bamster is behind this. Maddow is on the Bamster’s attack dog squad. She’s at the White House all the time.

      Excuse me but this passionate Italian can smell blood! What say you?

  6. Good morning all…and as my kids you…my ‘imaginary friends.’

    CookingPalooza starts in a little while. Both my parents are deceased, as is Mr. Contrary’s dad. His mom has late stage Alzheimers and is in a nursing home (she doesn’t do well leaving her ‘safe zone’) so it will be our five kids, one new son in law and one almost engaged into the family, new daughter.

    Alot to be thankful for. Mr. Contrary (for any of my former Buzz friends as I had posted about it there) had a bad heart attack in July…a week in CICU; a couple days in step down; seven weeks at home, on short term disability. He walked our daughter down the aisle in October; and will be having dinner tomorrow (while complaining that he can’t have anything with butter; with excess carbs–diabetic; sodium; transfats; or high cholesterol). :) Our family is trully blessed…

    I could easily lead this into one of my rants on how our recent experiences show how our health care system ISN’T BROKEN (DH’s treatment–after being a code blue in the ER–and emergency stents installed) all happened in a tiny, suburban hospital…one that, like hundreds of others, routinely ‘saves’ people so that they can go back to life (even if it is a diet restricted one).

    Pass the Promise margarine, and slap some on that gluten free, low sodium styrofoamy thing we are calling a dinner roll…

    Happy Thanksgiving All!!!

    • YTZ4Me says:


      I am so sorry to hear what Mr. MQC went through, and glad his is better. Had no idea you went through that this summer. His experience was much difference from my dad’s in Canada — who got transferred to four different hospitals throughout his ordeal. Flat lined twice during hospital transfers; had three stents. I am rabidly against “universal healthcare”.

      Enjoy the blessings of family and friends.

    • yomotley says:

      Our” imaginary friends”

  7. pistol pete says:

    I’m so glad Col. West got elected this time.He can expose the hypocrisy of the CBC;he’s definitely not going to be a back-bencher.Had a break in my pickup schedule to stop home and had to check in.

    I’m so very thankful this year because I’m working again,my family will be here tomorrow and I get to see all my grandkids at once.Some of my clients are stuck in nursing homes and group homes and have nowhere to go.I convinced my 15 and 14 year old grandkids into going with me @ noon to help serve dinner to the residents at one of the homes we pick up from.Hopefully they’ll appreciate what it is to give to those less fortunate than they are.Hope all here have a happy and blessed Thanksgiving.

    • tnwahm says:

      Happy Thanksgiving Pete. It sure is good to hear from you again.

    • yomotley says:

      Way to go on getting the grandkids to go with you! I don’t know if they will be inspired to appreciate what they have, but they will appreciate what it did to their heart. (later in life, of course).

      • Pat P says:

        It is amazing what our kids remember about their grandmas and grandpas, and what they taught them. My daughter wrote this piece for her grandma on the occasion of her 90th:

        When I was a teenager, I remember Grandma used to say, “You never listen to me!” But Gram, you were wrong. I listened, and I watched and learned; and I believe that there’s a little magic piece of you inside me.

        I know it’s that little piece that makes me stop on my walk to the train in the morning to watch the rest of the sunrise, or pull over to the side of the road to pick up a fall leaf or smell the lilacs in the Spring. Grandma used to cut fruit part to show me the beautiful patterns inside. She watered the plants and told me to listen to them drink. She brushed the dirt off vegetables in the garden and bit into them, telling me to taste their goodness. She sees beauty and magic everywhere. I believe she sees God all the time, in all the good and lovely things of earth ………… Even now, I feel your unconditional love and your prayers for me every day. When I can’t sleep, I hear your voice: “Think quiet thoughts.” When I’ve messed up, I remember your wise, “What’s done is done.” Most important I remember your “I Love you.” Thank you for all you have given to me.

        • yomotley says:

          Oh PatP, that is beautiful. How does your daughter feel about it being posted on facebook? It would be the perfect for Thanksgiving.

          • Pat P says:

            I don’t know, I would have to ask her, especially since we are Facebook friends!

            I do have the whole essay posted on my family tree.

            My daughter and her then fiancee (now husband) gathered essays and letters from everyone in the family, added family pictures, and published a beautiful book for her Gram. A copy was given to each of the 75 people who attended her birthday party. It was a wonderful gift to all of us.

          • Pat P says:

            Forgot to mention – she interviewed her Grandma and included her thoughts – and her poems and essays – in the book too.

        • AFinch says:

          Lovely, just lovely.

        • Thomas Hooker says:

          That brought tears to my eyes. Your grandma was a wise and special woman.

          • Pat P says:

            Thank you. This brings tears to my eyes every time I read it, and it was written in 1996! It was my mom and my daughter’s grandma, and we still miss her. I wasn’t born until she was 41, and she lived to be 91. She was a very special person.

          • Ad rem says:

            Ditto to all above Pat. I’m missing my Grandma something awful right now….

        • davesmom1 says:

          Wow Pat.. that is beautiful.

          I miss my grandma.

          My sweet gentle grandma died while holding my hand in 2003.

          Was the most peaceful, beautiful moment of my life.

          God was in that room.

          Changed my life. What a gift she gave me.

  8. JRD says:

    Gov. Jindal says, “Make politicians part-time. Give them term limits. Don’t let them become lobbyists. When they have to live under the same rules and laws they passed for the rest of us, maybe you’d see some more common sense coming out of Washington, D.C. Instead you got a permanent governing political class.”

    He points out that for most of America’s existence, Congress was indeed regarded as a part-time institution. In fact, some states, including Pennsylvania, even codified provisions in their constitutions that mandated lawmakers to hold down separate jobs from their legislature duties in order to “preserve [their] independence” and to ensure that they weren’t tempted to use their position of power to rake in personal riches.

    • yomotley says:

      “Gov. Jindal says, “Make politicians part-time. Give them term limits. Don’t let them become lobbyists.” Think this way for preachers/ministers, too. (I know totally off subject but it is what I thought when I read your intro.)

  9. notamolly says:

    Good morning and happy travel day to all! Interesting observation: my co-workers who fanatically supported Teh Won are now complaining about Obamacare and TSA. I have a hard time not saying something like “YOU voted for him” but am enjoying the sound of victory instead. :) Safe travels to all. We are staying home and family is coming to our area.

  10. Library Countess says:

    A blessed and happy Turkey Day to all! I am so thankful for each of you and what you bring to this “home away from home”. You each enrich my life in many ways.

    Baby bro (he was born 3 days before I turned 18; I was mortified! but he’s turned out okay), sister-in-law, nephew (ADHD/Asperger’s) and niece (the “diva”) arrive this afternoon (I adore both kids; if they wanted to be ax murderers, I’d buy the ax, because obviously, they must have a good reason for what they want to do… LOL), and we’ll haul my 90-yr-old mom over to the house tomorrow for dinner. Dinner is being cooked by Publix (our local supermarket chain); all I have to do is re-heat, and I’m very good at that. I got new carpet in the bedrooms on Monday and stuff is everywhere, so we’ll be sorta camping, just indoors. At this point I’m just trying to “hide” as much as possible so we don’t hurt ourselves in the middle of the night.

    Enjoy your time with your families, however extended or unextended they may be, and a special thanks to our military and their families for their sacrifices at the holidays and year-round.

  11. Pat P says:

    Well, I had big plans for today, and now my furnace is on the fritz. Waiting for a call back from the heating contractor – wish me luck! I can still clean while I wait – scrubbing, dusting, and vacuuming can still proceed. Besides, nothing keeps a body warmer than a little manual labor!

    My heart is filled with thanks that I live in the most beautiful and wonderful country on earth. Her citizens come through when the going is difficult, there is promise in our children and grandchildren, and bounty at this harvest season. I am thankful for those citizens who have given part or all of their lives to defending and protecting us, and praying for those who are away from their families on this holiday.

    God bless us all this holiday season, and keep our loved ones safe.

    • NeeNee says:

      Sometimes I think these appliances get together in the

      middle of the night and conspire against us.

      Last week the furnace went out on Saturday night,

      preceded by the dryer that had been squeaking for

      awhile, but then proceeded to SQUEAL. Dryer guy

      came & went, but a few hours later the squeak was

      back and is now up to S-Q-U-E-E-E-E-A-L decibals.

      Furnace guy lives just down the block, and he had it

      fixed within 15 minutes. Ah, the joys/frustrations of

      small-town living!

      • Pat P says:

        Furnace all better now – and it didn’t cost a lot! Got cleaned in the bargain. I still have to install a chimney liner that should have been there in the first place, but isn’t. That will cost a few hundred, but can wait a while!

        Hope you dryer gets better soon too!

        • Bijou says:

          Glad you got the furnace fixed so quickly, Pat.

          We’ve got pretty much the same weather being in the same general part of the globe, and it’s cold. (Although we can’t complain because many folks are ‘up to here’ in the white stuff. Brrr!)

  12. AFinch says:

    I almost forgot, thanks to YATZ for opening the store this morning.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Thank you. Given that I only saw #OS only once during the 18th mths he was studying, and the recent dust-up, I am fascinated by all the little tidbits he drops about their culture. So very different from ours. I would have never guessed some people think turkey is a “stinky” meat (okay, this is a group of people that enjoy eating cold chicken’s feet, but I digress) … I mean ….it’s turkey! … what’s not to like!!

      I will be making Hot Pot for dinner tonight, we are invited to friends for the feast tomorrow. I’m taking desserts and the mashed potato whisperer will be doing his thing.

      Blessings to everyone.

  13. Wraith says:

    The Wraith gets a four day weekend :D but Mrs. Wraith works Friday. :(

    We’re heading over to some friends’ for Turkey Fire Chicken Day, leading to a food coma about 36 hours from now.

    I’m thankful for many things:

    Thank You, God, for letting me enjoy the advantages of the greatest nation ever concieved on Earth. Thank You for my wonderful wife, for the opportunities you’ve set before me to better myself, and for the dignity I achieve in reaching those goals. And thank You a thousandfold for leading me to this group of strong, kind-hearted patriots…who eventually helped lead me to You.


  14. tnwahm says:

    We are staying home. ~with dialysis on Wed and Fri, we are limited on where we can go.~ My parents are comiing today and my oldest sister is flying in from Houston tomorrow. Hope she doesn’t have to go thru “gate rape.”

    This has been a tough year, but we have much to be thankful for. My dh has a job ~with insurance~ and we are all here. If my dd would have gotten sick in a couple of years, we may not still have her.

    Happy Thanksgiving All!

    Moist Turkey Tips

    • Pat P says:

      Bless you, tnwahm. Have a wonderful feast with your family. I am still praying for your daughter, that she will have a recovery from her renal failure.

      Thanks also for you tips on moist turkey; I am always interested to know how other people preparing their turkeys. I also use ‘yankee’ stuffing because we all love it here. I know it isn’t recommended these days and, if I did a turkey in the summer (which I do), I wouldn’t stuff mine either.

      Did you ever cook a turkey on a rotisserie on a gas grill? It is absolutely to die for. I guy I work with always does his on a charcoal grill (it is Michigan and cold here). He doesn’t stuff it, and he says it cooks quickly and is absolutely delicious.

      • tnwahm says:

        Pat, what part of Michigan are you in? I’m from the Grand Rapids area and still have lots of extended family there. It makes me sick to see what the dems have done to MI, but hopefully with more repubs/conservatives that won in Nov. there will be hope.

        Haven’t tried the rotisserie turkey, but love the rotisserie chickens from Costco. Down here in the south, my mom is made fun with her “yankee stuffing,” but they always love her turkey.

        • Pat P says:

          I live in the Detroit metro area (Ferndale now) and have lived in the North Woodward area since 1986. Born in Michigan (Detroit), moved to Illinois in 1962 for 9 years, and back here to Mich.

          I love Grand Rapids – it is one of the few cities in Michigan that is thriving. I imagine that is thanks to Amway and the DeVos family. I wish DeVos had won as Governor the last time around! Now we have a Republican who isn’t very conservative, but is pro business, so it is an improvement. We will see.

          I also love the Costco rotisserie chickens. What a value! I save the carcasses (and the drippngs) in the freezer, and use them to make chicken stock. Really good!

          Tell your mom not to forget her Yankee roots! I work with lots of people who have family in Tennessee. I think many people came here from there to work in the auto plants way back when.

    • ytz4mee says:


      Many prayers for your little one. Have a joyous and restful Thanksgiving. You deserve it.

    • tnwahm, I am still praying for your little one. She is about the same age as my son. God bless her, you, and your family.

  15. wendy ann says:

    OMG!! It’s a true homecoming! Love seeing all my favs from HB! A big shout out to YTZ4Me for finding some of us “lost” (former) ‘Buzzers – and a huge hug to Motley for giving us a new home! I am sooo thankful for this website and the kind and generous friends who post here! Can’t tell y’all how good it feels to be here!

  16. tnwahm says:

    Teachers Unions Gone WildUndercover

    Video Exposing NJEA

  17. phillycon4 says:

    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

    I have been tasked to make the stuffing for my sister, and will be using this recipe if anyone is interested.

    I wish everyone of you a blessed day, and may we all give thanks for living in the best country bar none. My thoughts are also with the military service men and women and their families.

    However, my Thanksgiving prayer focuses on those who are caught up in their daily distractions and choose the “sand” over the truth. I pray they will wake up and realize their comfy lifestyle and freedoms are not a given. I pray they will realize we are not entitled to anything in life, just the freedom to achieve it.

    Take care from the land of cheesesteaks!

  18. Auntie Lib says:

    Hey Everybody –

    I just stumbled over here and I can make some wild guesses about what’s going on, but I’d really appreciate it if someone could fill me in – “Readers’ Digest” version. Did this site start up after the obnoxious rant that Kevin did on the USO?

    Am I welcome or is there an initiation ceremony? Is anybody here from the “Mostly 4 Me” site? I sure miss some of those friends.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Welcome, welcome!

      If you have time, you may want to go to the Archives and read “Hello World” and “Building the Case Against Kevin DuJan”. Some of the raw feelings are starting to heal, and no one wants this new blog to devolve into a bash KdJ fest. People just needed to get some things off their chest, compare notes …now that that’s done, we’ve moved on.

    • JRD says:

      Auntie Lib, hey nice to see you.

      NeeNee, TXMom,frankie, tnwham, sleeplessinca (formerly PVG), and Ting are here.

    • TXMom says:

      Auntie Lib! I am so very glad you are here, my friend. WoooooHoooo.

    • AFinch says:

      Welcome Auntie!! So good to “see” you! Look around–hopefully you’ll feel right at home soon enough.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      No initiation ceremonies! Just come on in, set right down and make yerself at home! It’s like a Thanksgiving Dinner, with all the family around the table. Yahooo! Color me grateful.

    • tnwahm says:

      So glad you found us Auntie. It’s great to see another familiar face from mostly4us. PistolPete has also been found too.

    • NeeNee says:

      Hey, Auntie Lib!

      Saw your name at the HB site after I came here, so wasn’t

      sure where your loyalties lay. Congrats on finding us!

      Makes me wonder how many other posters over there

      simply are unaware of what had gone down, and don’t

      think to wonder what happened to the old faithfuls.

      As part of the first exodus back in June of ’09, I guess

      I wasn’t surprised at K’s second “incident.” Except this

      time around, instead of just disappearing, he jumped

      down the collective throats of well-intentioned posters.

      IMO, this is either rooted in a) psychological paranoia

      or b) fear that his “donation” scam being questioned would

      lead to a united demand for proof of how their money was

      being spent.

      I had been away from the HB site from ’09 up until about

      six weeks ago, so possibly I have no right to spectulate. But

      as someone else here said (sorry, can’t remember who), he

      seems to need a reader purge about every 1 1/2 years.

      Meh, I feel like a member in the “Battered Ex-wives Club”!

    • yomotley says:

      Wowzer. Welcome.

      Well, I guess the first place to start is the Hello

      World post at the very beginning. It is high drama as so many were

      just at the “spurned lover” point. I suggest reading in small

      chunks over a couple of days. People left HB, either by their own

      choice or the posts ceased showing up. Then simply read through the

      daily open forums. I cannot stress enough that our goal is not to

      become a “Dis HB” site or to lambaste Kevin. It may seem that way

      at first as each “lost” person is found and shares their story of

      any or all of these: hurt, deceit, feelings of being lost,

      confusion, etc.. I think we have, in a short week, gotten back to

      the special uniqueness of the HB daily gang. The give and take on

      a variety of interests, mostly saving the country, is familiar,

      relaxed, non-judgmental, and just plain comfortable. Collectively,

      the brains of this daily group are a powerhouse, individually each

      is big-hearted, dedicated to their missions of choice, kind, and


      Again, Welcome.


    • Aren’t you the lady from Montana? Are you frozen, too?

      • JRD says:

        Geez, Frankly, you’re making me feel very guilty. I say some prayers for you today to keep you warm and toasty.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        FtN…thought of something funny the other day to tell you. Back in the winter of ’95-’96, we had absolutely alltime weatherbreaking cold in these parts (western MN, eastern ND….with 30 below and worse….day after day and night after night….for weeks. Of course, eventually the network news yahoos decided to do a feature on “those brave people in Fargo, ND” so sent some clueless news producers up here to do on the street interviews. First of all, they had to figure out that all the locals know a whole better than to stop and chat when it’s 30 below at noon, and you can’t uncover your face without damage to your skin. Then they had to learn that their equipment froze up very quickly. Imagine that. But here’s the point: my very, very most favoritest! line of the whole silly expedition by them was provided by a farmer who was interviewed at some service station in Fargo. (Imagine Katie Couric breathlessly saying to Mrs. Palin, “But didn’t the wolf bleeeeeed after you shot him?????”) New York Important Person asks farmer-who-has-dealt-with-this-all-his-life: “So, tell me, sir, how do you folks COPE with this???” Farmer growls, “Who sez we’re coping?” End of conversation. It was hilarious. FtN: don’t worry about the coping!!! The locals don’t. They just survive. Out of sheer orneriness and determination.

    • Library Countess says:

      Hi Auntie Lib… welcome! Nice to have you in the house. Catch-up is pretty easy w/ the “Hello World” thread and a link to Snarkopolitan.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Yay! Hi, Auntie Lib!!

    • Bijou says:

      Auntie Lib, HI and WELCOME!

      Your guesses are right on the money. The infamous USO thread was the ‘final straw’ for many of us.

      This site has been such a blessing. It has given us a new ‘home’, but it’s even more than that, and gets better all the time.

      And, except for the occasional relapse, we have moved past the anger and disgust we felt a week ago and are just enjoying our old friends.

      Glad to have you here.

    • Ad rem says:

      Auntie Lib…Auntie Lib…..I don’t think we’re in HB anymore! ;-)

      Welcome to my Montana friend. Pull up a chair and have some honey-roasted turkey. It’s part of the initiation…;-D

  19. yomotley says:

    I am bothered how things are turning out with the DWTS voting controversy. Now some are bellowing that the manipulating of the voting system was the ground work and preparation for conservatives to do the same with the 2012 election voting process. We are talking about cheating here. Now, I know no one is going to outright say, “cheat” but some are working very hard to make it look like that is what is being planned by the conservies. The news of the last week has had Dujan on television, radio, and print saying conservatives are voting, “like Democrats”, which is saying, but not saying, they are cheating (although I think he did say in an interview the Dems have been cheating for years). Granted, this is only a tv show, BUT now, in the aftermath it is going to a “lessons learned for 2012″. That is lessons learned from the voting process of the tv show.

    Well, big difference here is that the tv show each voter is allowed multiple votes. Which, by the way, some areas of the country are considering minorities in the community to have up to five votes to make things “even”. I have not sorted this all out in my pretty little brain, but something is rolling around and reacting the same way it does when it senses irregularities and scammeries.

    If you figure out what I am thinking, please let me know so I can quit trying. The answer is there, I am just not organizing it to articulation.

    • AFinch says:

      You could see this coming couldn’t you? Weren’t you suspicious about why DuJan had suddenly become the darling of the left-wing MSM? Remember Palin’s admonition to the Republican freshman to reassess whenever they’ve garnered the praise of the media? Couldn’t you smell the set up? Don’t you see the plant?

    • Thomas Hooker says:

      Given the outpouring of support for Bristol in prior weeks, I found the results last night a bit odd when they were coupled with “system problems.” Another thing to think about is the Left’s last minute GOTV efforts. Ken Buck was on track to win in Colorado but for a last minute GOTV push by the Left. What can we being doing now to improve in that area?

      • Thomas Hooker says:

        Oh, and ongoing relentless smears and misrepresentations of his positions :-)

      • yomotley says:

        Well, to me it seems the judges inflated Jennifer’s scores and deflated (except the middle judge) Bristol’s) so that no matter how big of a vote she Bristol had from the public she could not win the title. There was no way, when Jennifer faltered on a landing that she should have gotten a ten from one judge, let alone three.

        Also, can’t have Bristol getting sympathy votes for the death threats so create a death threat for Jennifer, too. I Have always been a fan of DWTS but won’t watch anymore. It was all story and hype that Jennifer did not know how to previously dance and she should not have been allowed/asked to compete.

        Re GOTV. We are beginning to do something by being aware. That is the beauty of the netwaves, which is why Left wants to shut it down. If it was not for this connection to one another and the rest of the world, we would already be under dictatorship.

  20. TXMom says:

    Today is baking day! Cranberry bread is in the oven; pies, and cornbread for the stuffing are next. I’ll be periodically checking in with you guys today. I am a little envious of all your cold weather….it’s windy and a high of 83 degrees is expected today. My hubby cannot go hunting this season, so he is pacifying himself with this cute Turkey Shootin’ game. lol God bless every one of you…..Have a Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

    • yomotley says:

      The link is fun. I can’t wait to show everyone tomorrow. So silly that it makes you giggle and want to play.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        Memories! Cousins (ages 6, 7, 8, etc) playing hide and seek in the big upstairs areas of those old farmhouses….nothing upstairs but bedrooms… all the predictable hiding places: under the bed, in the closet, behind the dresser….goodness, all the dust bunnies we carried downstairs on our little dresses and white socks after sliding under the bed on the floor to hide! Never did quite figure out why our mothers didn’t know for SURE that we were going to do that, so to be sure all the dust was out from under their upstairs beds when they had the family over.

    • JRD says:

      I’m making my manicotti shells and Italian gravy first.

      TXMom I don’t miss the cold weather. It is drop dead gorgeous here in south Florida today. The weather is a perfect 10. I’m in my kitchen cooking looking out on all the boats going down the deep water canal I live on, blasting Frank Sinatra ( I gotta have on Sinatra when I cook Italian), and every once in a while drop in on this wonderful Motley Crew and I couldn’t be more thankful or happier.

      My entire family drove down from New Jersey (I’m the oldest of 12). I have 56 for dinner tomorrow. And most of them are in the kitchen with me cooking because everybody in my family cooks, even the men.

    • Bijou says:

      TXMom, your kitchen smells yummy!

      Poor you…83° weather! :) It’s currently 2°C here (35°F) with a cold wind.

      Just took the puppy for a walk down to the river and the mallards were huddled up along the banks, except for a few brave ones in the water.

      Thanks for the Turkey Shootin’ game. In case your hubby gets bored with that one, here’s another. On this one, you can select your ‘skill’ level.

  21. g8rmom7 says:

    We are very excited in our house today…getting stuff ready for tomorrow. It’s fun making our own family traditions. I got my brine made and refridgerated ready to soak the turkey in later tonight…cranberry sauce is made. Still have a lot of cleaning to do (no fun). And one thing I started two years ago is taking my girls in the middle of the night shopping on Black Friday. We have so much fun because we just look for little things here and there and then go out to breakfast. They talk about it all year long and they cannot wait! I’ve been having fun looking through the online ads for the stores we hit. Gonna be fun!

    • JRD says:

      My mom started this tradition in our house of putting on skits. We eat so many courses that it is a nice way to allow plenty of time between each course. First for lunch we have this large antipasto. A few hours later we eat the manicotti. In the evening we have the turkey and all the fixings. Then dessert, fruit, cheese and, vin santo.

      Everyone pairs up very secretly during the month of November with their partners to practice their performance. It is of the utmost importance to not allow anyone to know who you are performing with and what you are performing. One of my brothers always records the skits and it is always great family fun to watch past performances together as my family are a bunch of nuts.

  22. For the past few weeks, our family has participated in a food drive for our local community as part of a Scouting for Food (Boy Scouts) project.

    To give you an idea of how things are for some people in our rural area, our school sends food home with kids every Friday. If they didn’t, those kids might go hungry over the weekend. Some people here do not have running water. No, I am not kidding or exaggerating.

    Food donations were less this year than last year. I am sure that the bad economy is affecting everyone.

    If you can give, please donate to your local food bank. If you don’t have any extra food or money to give, then maybe you could volunteer some of your time to help out.

    Be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving!

    • Be thankful and have a Happy Thanksgiving, I mean!

    • yomotley says:

      One of my favorite gravatars! Hi Patriot Dreamer! Food banks are a great place to start giving. The churches and community organizations simply can not keep the pantry stocked.

      Also, taking a meal to a family under stress really helps. $10 walmart cards dropped in the mail anonymously is a way to help, too. One time when we were down and out, someone actually anonymously paid to fill our propane tank. Wow. A gas card. A Sunday dinner invite. Etc., all make an impact that hits the physical needs of others and warms their hearts.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Absolutely. We actually save most of our charitable giving for post-Christmas, when money is even tighter and expenses higher — electric, gas, etc.

        We’ve been known to anonymously pay a credit on an electric or gas bill by visiting the local payments center post Christmas in Jan or Feb, for a family that we KNOW is struggling but too proud to admit/ask for help.

        Pay it forward. Always.

        • Menagerie says:

          ytz and motley – simple and beautiful ideas. I think sometimes I forget that we don’t have to be able to do the big things to help each other. A little can go a long way too.

          To go back a little to other comments, this has become a warm home for some really good people. It’s very far from a “bashing” site.

          • Pat P says:

            You know what? If Kevin had encouraged us to talk about what we do, and can do, to help others, all of these things would have been discussed at HillBuzz, and we probably wouldn’t have left.

          • Menagerie says:

            Pat P, I think an important point is that here each person so obviously feels free to share what they feel, think and do – and they are appreciated for it because no matter how we try, how smart we are, we don’t always have all the good ideas ourself. We can learn from each other. That is a byproduct of community, which is about others as well as self. When that sharing was restricted by someone else’s demand that only his sanctioned ideas had merit, the community suffered and was fractured.

            That’s my outside looking in theory, for what it’s worth.

    • JRD says:

      I, along with a few friends, run a soup kitchen at our local parish. I can’t tell you how many times the progressive wing nuts have tried to shut us down. These are compassionate people but yet these food police want to tell me what kind of cardboard I am permitted to cook for hungry people.

      Tomorrow together with my family we will serve them dinner before we have ours. It humbles you. There is no way you can leave the soup kitchen and not feel “There but for the grace of God go I.”

  23. I’ve been debating whether or not to do this, but I see that nobody else is getting smacked down for talking about their personal stuff, so here goes. My daughters each have a blog, chronicling their experiences in making the transition from lifelong Californians to hardy northern Montanans, or North Dakotans, as the case may be. These have nothing to do with politics, and may be of interest only to a mother who would rather look at pictures of the local snow conditions than actually go outside and be IN them, but what the heck…it’s not like anybody HAS to look.

    The first link is my oldest daughter’s blog. She’s been here a year, and has more experiences to tell. My favorites, I think, are her pictures of her 9-year old’s last outdoor birthday party at the park–in February–where the juice glasses had a layer of ice on the top, and her top 10 reasons you can know you’re not in California any more, such as forgetting your church potluck food in the car for 3 days, and when you find it, instead of throwing it away, you put it in the fridge to thaw. She has 3 children–13, 11, and 9.

    The younger girl has only been here since this summer. She lives a few miles across the state line into North Dakota, not that it makes any difference. At 32, she’s the adoptive mother of 3 teens–16, 15, and 13.

    I have been here almost 2 months. Still working on the transition. And I know she left the “c” out of “defunct,” but she’s shoveling snow for a nice elderly lady (I think she’s 99–tough people, these Montanans) who gets out and does it herself if doesn’t disappear fast enough!

    • ytz4mee says:

      ” I’ve been debating whether or not to do this, but I see that nobody else is getting smacked down for talking about their personal stuff, so here goes.”

      Wow. That was a blow to my heart. Just goes to show how much we were all brow-beaten into silence when it wasn’t something that was cheerleading for KdJ or fit with the established narrative of the day. And we all went along with it.

      I will check out both blogs later when I have more time. Sounds like a wonderful experience for the girls, and a great way to encourage them to write, write, write!!! :)

      • I hope you didn’t think I was talking about you! It was just a general observation, acknowledging that not every place welcomes random o/t observations. The oldest daughter is already a published author of 2 books, and she and her sister collaborated on a children’s book that was published a few years back. This stuff is just for fun…and for free. At any rate, they certainly amuse me!

      • yomotley says:

        Me too. I am keeping a list of places to visit when the gang leaves me to myself. I look forward to your daughter’s sites. The names of the books?

        • The first book she wrote was Malchus–Touched by Jesus. It’s the story of Christ, as seen through the eyes of His enemies. Her 2nd book, Peter–Fisher of Men, was a companion volume, telling the same story, except this time seen through the eyes of Jesus’ friends. Malchus raises questions that Peter answers. I was totally amazed at the creativity that came bubbling out of that mind. One of my dear friends, who knew my parents when I was born, said, “Susan, I’m 85 years old, and I’d never thought of some of those stories that way before I read her books.” Since my mom died before she could be proud of her granddaughter’s books, I’m glad that Auntie was there to serve as an approving substitute. If you see the cover of Malchus online, pictures of my oldest son served as the model for the painting (he’s cuter, which he wouldn’t like me to say, but he won’t be reading this so who cares?). It doesn’t look exactly like him, but is certainly recognizable if you know him.

          Rahab’s Promise, the book they wrote together is a children’s version of the fall of Jericho, as seen through the eyes of Rahab’s niece.

    • JRD says:

      Wow, Frankly, quite a huge difference from living in California. At least you have your lovely family there with you to help you make the transition. I remember when I first relocated to Florida I was heart sick for my large family. It took me about 2 years to feel comfortable here. I kept coming up with every excuse to go home to NJ.

      Love the pix of the old cars among the wheat! I’ve never been to that part of the country but it sure does look beautiful. One of your daughters definitely has an eye for great photos. Thanks for sharing.

      • The cars in the wheat field was taken by my younger daughter. Her big sister was actually a photographer before she was, but now they’re both into all that artsy-craftsy shooting stuff. I’m a Kodak Instamatic person, myself.

        Yes, the transition is something else, especially since I grew up in Hawaii before moving to CA in 1966! Those first 4 years spent in Wisconsin and Michigan have been long forgotten. At least my 2 sons had the good sense to stay in warmer climes (CA and AZ). Time to walk the dogs again…I REALLY think dogs shouldn’t have to pee or poop when it’s cold. I really envy and admire the people who can teach their pets to use the toilet. I can’t imagine any of these 3 yo-yos perched delicately on the seat to do a Doody. Brrrrrrr.

        • Pat P says:

          It sounds like you need a fence! If I had to walk my dog in the winter every time she needed to pee or poop, I think I would get a cat.

          • It seems people up here rig up a line and fastener, attach it to their dogs, and shove them out the door to do their business alone. Until my husband quits going back and forth for trips of stuff, I don’t have anybody to handle that little detail. However, it’s VERY high on my personal list of priorities.

        • Menagerie says:

          If your daughter doesn’t sell her photographs, she should.

    • frankie says:

      FtN – I grew up in West. ND and spent about 6 yrs as an adult in SW MT. If you can cope with the winter weather, you’ll find you’ve landed in the best place in the country. I’ve lived in alot of places and nothing compares w/ the people of ND and MT. I’d give anything to be back there and give up the heat of AZ. I miss the changing of the seasons, I miss snow, I miss hoarfrost on the trees like that picture on your daughters blog site. But most of all, I miss the genuine, loving, giving, caring people. My Dad (94) still lives in SW ND. It appears that this might be a rough Winter so I hope you & your girls and their kids won’t find it too rough. Working & playing in snow & sub-zero temps builds great character!

      • My oldest daughter lives 1/4 mile away from us. Her driveway ends in the ND state line. Canada is 9 miles to the north. We’re as close to the edge of MT as you can get without being out of it entirely. The nearest Wal-Mart is just about 90 miles away. I was bummed to have missed the summer. I got to spend a month or so here in 2009 during the summer and it was perfect. OK, except for the part where I got food poisoning and wouldn’t let them take me to the hospital–directly across the street–until I was going into shock. Eventually I had to give in. I mean, even charge nurses have limits to how long they can hold tenaciously to being in charge. But other than having no discernible pulse or blood pressure once I was taken down the church stairs and wheeled across the street to the ER, and the 2 days I spent there vomiting and, um, other stuff…it was a GREAT summer. This year I missed all the good part and hit town just in time for temperatures that, before now, I had only read about it books! Before a fire. With a hot drink. And blankets. 8-)

  24. AFinch says:

    Oh my, so many new faces today. Welcome to all of you at once!!

    Patriot Dreamer–I remember you as a prolific poster of links over at HB. You’ll be happy to know that we have increased the number of links allowed here to 5 so that you don’t have to break them up into multiple posts.

    • Patriot Dreamer says:

      AFinch, thanks!

      I try to post links to articles that I think others might be interested in. I don’t necessarily agree with the opinions in those articles, but just want to put them out there for folks.

  25. Thomas Hooker says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. Thank you to Mrs. Polly for being a gracious waystop. Thank you, Motley, for providing a new home. I post erratically, but love all of you and missed you during the hiatus.

    It has been a great pleasure to see so many of the familiar gravatars appear here. There are still others that I miss – ranee@arabian knits, ten, teresainfortworth, xana…

    I wish to express thanks to Kevin. Before Hillbuzz, I was barely aware of the comments behind posts. He invited lurkers to participate, and so for the first time I did (and became hooked and attached to all of you!). He also urged people to become more politically active and contributed to my becoming a precinct leader earlier this year. Those are good things.

    And don’t you wish you could see everyone’s postcards and quotes? :-) Here is a link to one similar to what I sent:

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

    • yomotley says:

      Very nice, classy, respectful, and HEARTFELT post. Thank you Thomas.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Agree 100%. I harbor no ill will at all — in fact, I never would have written let alone published the “rant” had I not been a member of the HB community for so long and educated on how important it is to SPEAK UP.

        And so many good things came from the HB village, including this group of cyber-friends.

        • AFinch says:

          Add me to that list. HB was the first blog I commented on and that is where I first started practicing speaking out. Plus I met so many new and interesting people there.

          • JRD says:

            Me too. The Lord always allows you to see the good among the bad.

            I don’t harbor any ill will either. As a matter of fact he’s in my prayers that he truly has a come to Jesus moment.

            ytz4me, you sure can write. My entire family is loving your rant. You’ve been blessed with a gift.

          • ytz4mee says:

            JRD, We are definitely going to take you up on your offer to help us plan a trip to Tuscany this fall for a delayed Anniversary celebration. Studmuffin has 65+ days of leave on the books, and your posts literally make my mouth water. I’m getting hungry just thinking about it ;) “Italian gravy”, indeed !

        • phillycon4 says:

          Me four.

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