Open Forum – November 21, 2010

Good Morning and Welcome.

The “donate” button on sites is very familiar. Loads of money has been raised and, in turn, good-to-great things have and are being done with the donations. On the other hand, there are donation terrorists out there and it is not just the little old lady being taken in. This sort of goes with the territory of Americans having big, gigantomatic hearts.

Addressing Fraud on the Internet

It seems as though the current state of political affairs in this country has us all on high alert for potential threats to our liberty. Unfortunately, some people are taking advantage of this climate to stoke fear and provoke sympathy with the goal of depriving us of our hard earned dollars. If you think you have fallen prey to such tactics, consider the following resources:

States’ Attorneys General: Most states’ AG’s offices are in place to address, among other things, consumer fraud and deception. If the perpetrator is in Illinois, for example, you can download a consumer complaint form at:

You probably will not ever get your money back (especially since the AG in Illinois is a democrat), but at least you will have put the perpetrator on notice and perhaps prevented him/her from preying on others.

Perhaps your complaint is more appropriate for the Better Business Bureau in your community. In Chicago, for example, learn information about filing a complaint at

Finally, consider simply cutting off the payment at the source. If you made payment by credit card, contact your card company and stop payment. If you made payment by PayPal, report the fraudster at

What other avenues are out there that we have not mentioned?

(Insight: More times than not when people seek to expose a scamming scumbag , it really is not about the money. It is about stopping others from the same grief.  The best scam is the one that tugs at the heartstrings and mixes it with subtle guilt infliction. )

209 Responses to Open Forum – November 21, 2010

  1. AFinch says:

    Good morning Motley. Excellent post. We all need to do our part to stop scamming scammers who scam.

    On a different note, did any of you catch Peggy “Nincompoop” Noonan’s latest column? Can you name the 2012 potential candidate who she goes out of her way not to mention but to whom she appears to be speaking, nonetheless?

    • Pat P says:

      Good morning, AFinch and Motley!

      It makes me sad to read Peggy’s columns these days. I rarely do.

      After 9-11 I looked forward to reading her column each week, and I saved many of them. She has always had a way with words, and I wish she was on our side, but she isn’t. Too bad.

      If I read any woman these days, it is usually Robin of Berkeley, who has a unique point of view.

      Now for coffee!

      • AFinch says:

        You should add YTZ to that list. See below. I knew she had a big brain, but man o’ man o’ man. I’m glad she and the Studmuffin are on our side.

      • yomotley says:

        Link for Robin? Others might like to take a Sunday stroll over to visit her.

      • Pat P says:

        Robin is over at American Thinker. The link to her archive of articles is here:

        I first read our friend, YTZ, yesterday, and will certainly add her to our list. Quality!

      • Pat P says:

        If you haven’t read Robin before, I should add that she is a recovering leftie. Also a psychotherapist. In Berkeley, California, the land of fruits and nuts.

        In one of her earlier columns she tells how she was mugged in broad daylight in Berkeley. She was injured badly enough to require surgery. Discussing her attack with a friend, her friend told her that her mugger was ‘a victim too’.

  2. AFinch says:

    I just got around to reading this excellent piece written by our friend YTZ4Me and I think it deserves another mention on this thread:

    If you haven’t read it yet, here’s a taste:

    “[T]o emplace your policies and “vision” requires the consent of the people. You can not hire enough guards, build enough prisons, operate enough courts to entrap and control the whole population of these (for-now) united states. It only takes a small percentage of dissenters, non-conformists and cascading acts of strategic civil disobedience to bring your entire command-and-control crashing all around you. Decapitating by legal and tax retributive means, a few titular heads of the resistance, will only serve to strengthen and embolden the diffuse movement.”

    Rock on girlfriend!

    • yomotley says:

      Is that a quote by YTZ? I need an author name before I let this awesome quote go viral. Rock on, is right! (I could have said, “Rock on, is correct” but I am not ashamed to be seen hanging our with the RIGHT.)

    • Pat P says:

      I read this yesterday. It is a wonderful piece, that came from the heart.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Thanks, AFinch!
      I am so excited — that blog post was named “post of the day” on Prof Jacobson’s blog,
      “Legal Insurrection”. He’s a law professor at Cornell. So to be selected to be featured on his blog was a huge ….WOW !!!

      So many good things are happening since I left HB … K always made me feel that NO ONE could write as well as he could. So this “hat trip” from Prof Jacobson made me feel really good! ;)

      • JRD says:

        Congratulations, I am so incredibly happy for you! It was excellent.

      • phillycon4 says:


        Honestly, that is amazing and I am so, so, proud of you and your writing abilities.

        Prof. Jacobson is one of the best bloggers out there; he never succumbs to emotional argumentation. That is a rare feat in the current political climate. So, to get his imprimatur is quite an achievement.

        I am going back to re-read it now. Congrats!

      • AFinch says:

        YTZ — Keverly is not even in the same league with you. Hopefully, when Motley gets back to the base, she can give you admin rights so you can post over here too.

        How’s the Studmuffin?

      • sundancecracker says:

        As well you should (feel really good). That was an exceptional piece. YTZ4Me, as I said yesterday, that was perhaps the best written expression of familiar emotion I have read all year. Many people can connect to those eloquent words containing feeling, frustration, and sentiment.

        It is exactly like the feeling those within the Polish Solidarity movement held in the very beginning. Taking to the streets and recognizing you are not alone in your beliefs, indeed you are in the majority with them, is invigorating and provides immediate hope and optimism.

        Being able to express those emotions in words connects to people in the same way. Fantabulous job. Awesome.

      • Bijou says:

        YTZ4Me, congrats!!! That’s a huge ‘WOW’ for sure, and very well deserved.
        That piece really packed a punch, and we look forward to more, more, more!
        This just feels so good and dare I say ‘healthy’, to be on a forum where such talent exists, without you having to fear bruising ‘somebody’s’ fragile ego.
        Again, thanks, Motley!!!

      • Jennifer H says:

        Wow! Legal Insurection is an awesome blogger, I read his site daily and am never dissapointed. Congrats lady for your excellent piece and your well deserved recognition!

      • Richdet says:

        Congrats, YTZ. That posting was primo — rhetorically sharp (but not a rant), passionate (but not shrill), strong and assured (but not grandiose). (Who could I possibly be contrasting you to?)


      • CAS says:

        Hubby and I loved this piece. I was so proud to tell him that we are “friends”.

      • Pat P says:

        As I said earlier in this thread, it is a wonderful piece, that came from the heart.

        Your writing is in a category of its own, and far superior to that of KD. It is well structured, with a fluid stream of thought. Not to mention that the spelling and grammar are spot on (minor point, but KD’s wasn’t).

        Congratulations! You deserve it.

      • GASP!! If you weren’t already on his list, you’d certainly be on it now. It is NOT OK to notice any typos, misspellings, or grammatical errors on HB…believe me, I know!

      • YTZ4Me says:

        Studmuffin is doing well. Not as cranky today as yesterday, so I take that as a good sign. Thank goodness for better living through chemistry! lol.

        Since he’s laid up and can’t putter, he has generated a whole laundry list of ideas for follow-on posts… I can’t keep up!

      • sundancecracker says:

        YTZ, so glad to hear SM is doing better…. don’t forget the little jingle bell next to the comfy chair :)

        YOU have set the editorial bar very high with your previous post. Looking forward to all the AWESOMENESS to come.

      • WeeWeed says:

        Went and gave ya a WOOOT! That was amazing!!

  3. JRD says:

    Buon Giorno, AFinch and Pat P,

    I despise this Marxist scumbag Frank Rich with his vile communist lies from the New York Slimes. But what give me great satisfaction is that Saracuda is INSIDE HIS HEAD!!! She probably keeps this cretin up at night. Usually I read his columns and want to wretch. However, this morning I couldn’t stop laughing. Saracuda is making them all, including Peggy nincompoop, MISERABLE, yes! Go Cuda! She’s teflon. get used to it!

    • JRD says:

      These cretins came so close to their precious utopia and they can’t believe that Sarah has unleashed an avalanche from the top of Mt. McKinley that is unstoppable. They can’t fathom that they have stealthy inched away instituting their creeping socialism for the past 70 years and are only left there standing and impotently watching all their fairy-tales slipping away. It’s a nightmare. They can’t stop her. They have to rely on the party of stupid to stop her but they know how inept the party of stupid is. They have been beating the party of stupid up with one hand tied behind their back for years now. They are useless. They know it’s over. Whoever wins the Republican nomination is POTUS. They even unleashed the wicked witch of the west who told her, “I’ll get you my little pretty” but, she failed also. They’ve run out of options. They are so screwed.

      Thank you God!

    • AFinch says:

      Oh my, thank you for sharing. That was delicious. Even a month ago, to hear people I like described as a “‘Star Wars’ bar gaggle of anomalous and wacky losers,” would have infuriated me. Today, I say “Yeah, Mr. Rich, that’s me and those are my peeps. You have a problem with that?”

      I also thought it was hilarious that everyone was obsessed with whether she was wearing make-up (did they ever end up dubbing it CoverGirl Gate.) I have been fortunate enough in my life to have spent time with truly beautiful people. That’s just how they look, first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Get used to it NYT.

    • Pat P says:

      I made a mistake and starting reading the comments.

      Frank Rich is right about Sarah’s popularity, but he doesn’t understand it, and no one at the NYT understands US.

      • YTZ4Me says:

        The difference is, I no longer care if they “get” it or not.
        As to the NYT, I patiently explain … I don’t have time in my day to read fiction.

    • phillycon4 says:


      I read the first few paragraphs, b/c one can only take so much.

      Its the usual panoply of recycled elitist, Leftist drivel.

      What I find absolutely hilarious, is that their Messiah, their “one” is a total failure.

      Instead they have to trash Palin. Pretty pathetic for these “know it alls.”

    • Bijou says:

      NYT article not available without registration, so I’ll pass.
      It’s just as well. I’d only have to go take a shower after reading anything the odious Rich has to say.

  4. Pat P says:

    On a lighter note regarding the TSA scans:

    I heard a woman suggest on one of the radio programs I listened to on Friday that they use dogs to ‘sniff out’ problems with passengers. Dogs have been taught to sniff out drugs and bombs, and even cancer cells.

    Of course this would freak out Muslims (my thought, not hers).

    • Pat P says:

      I should add that I wish this was an option to the invasive pat downs. I love dogs, and I think they would do a better job than the TSA human employees.

      • paulag1955 says:

        And I believe that dogs can even detect explosives that have been hidden in body cavities. Dogs seem like a no-brainer to me so what does that say about the people running the TSA?

      • sundancecracker says:

        Dogs have proven to be one of the most effective ways to counter terrorism. Their keen sense of smell is 10,000 times stronger than humans. They are able to detect infinitesimal trace elements and highly accurate, though admittedly not perfect.

        I agree with Paul. It really does seem like a no-brainer.

      • CAS says:

        Problem is, there’s no money for George Soros in dogs. Ever since All the President’s Men, I follow the money.

      • Ad rem says:

        Don’t forget Skelator aka Chertoff.

    • paulag1955 says:

      Not to put too fine of a point on it, but I am Paula, not Paul. ;o)

  5. Pat P says:

    AFinch, do we need to post at Lucianne this am? I didn’t see one from you. Have we gathered everyone?

    • AFinch says:

      We’re still missing JerseyGram, AmEx, SFGoth and many others whom I would love to find. Do you mind doing the post? I don’t want people to get sick of me!

      • Pat P says:

        No prob!

      • Jennifer H says:

        Captain Caveman too….

      • AFinch says:

        Yes, Jennifer. I would love to see Cavey here. I had completely forgotten about him. Do you happen to know where he hangs out these days?

        By the way, I did not have time to join in the Welcome Wagon yesterday, so Welcome! It’s so good to see that beautiful, flowing mane.

      • phillycon4 says:

        Yes, Captain Caveman was also another prolific poster. He always had a substantive post, several in fact. Then he was gone too… I had forgotten about him, until Jennifer bought him up.

        Does anyone post over at Michelle Malkin or HotAir? I know its next to impossible to post at HotAir. That may be a start.

      • Richdet says:

        Someone mentioned on yesterday’s thread that they hoped to see Zurich Mike turn up here. I know he has been a longtime Lucianne poster, so that could be a good place to catch his attention. I can’t say, however, that I have noticed him posting at “The Connection.” I can say that as recently as yesterday (Saturday) he was posting at HB. If anybody is putting together a “Most Wanted” list (!), he would be a good get. Smart guy.

      • AFinch says:

        I agree, Richdet. I have been posting on the open thread at C4P everyday and one of us has been posting at Lucianne. Anyone here should feel free to issue open calls anywhere and everywhere you post. I have to believe we will find everyone eventually.

        As of this morning, there is no one waiting to get it, so we are still missing a lot of people. Go find them!!

      • yomotley says:

        Hey, how about submitting a callout for Prof. Jacobson to print. Maybe if you asked real nicely, he would do so. I think he is one place they all may have read……….

      • AFinch says:

        Great suggestion Motley. YTZ–since you have celebrity status over there :-) can you do it. Or anyone who already posts there?

  6. AFinch says:

    One more thing and then I’ll shut up so others can talk. . . . I’ve been invited to sit down in a small group setting with Sen. Lugar in December. I’m told that it is not to raise money (yeah, right) but to get my thoughts about how to get more young people involved in conservative politics.

    I have mixed feelings about the senior senator from my state. On the one hand, I think he is a classy man who strongly believes that no matter what our differences at home, we put on a united front when facing our counterparts abroad. On the other hand, I am more than a little dismayed by his positions on the DREAM Act and the New START treaty.

    I told the person who invited me to this get together that I intend to question Sen. Lugar about these things. Can you all refer me to sources that will enable me to better prepare? What other topics would you like to see raised with him?

    • Pat P says:

      I am not sure yet how I feel about the Dream Act. My first instinct would be to limit eligibility further to include only those who serve at least two years in the military.

      I don’t know much more about Sen Lugar, but will do a little research today, and post any questions that pop up.

      • emmajeri1010 says:

        I find the whole concept of the DREAM Act irritating for the same reason that I am bothered by any calls for a Constitutional Convention. If our existing immigration laws were enforced, most of the issues would be taken care of. It has always seemed that those campaigning for Special Management of Special People by Special Laws passed by Very Special People are opposed to enforcing existing laws. The endless fallback positions~~all the shiny ways to mop up the floor as opposed to turning off the faucent~~just irritate me.

      • AFinch says:

        Oooh Emma, May I use that when I meet with Sen. Lugar? I’ll put some “aw schucks” language around it, but that really gets to the heart of it.

    • PhillyCon says:


      That sounds very interesting about Sen. Lugar. I’m sure he’s a decent individual; but as you probably know, he’s been in DC too long.

      Anyway, I am not a foreign policy aficionado. However, if he’s interested in “young people” ask him about the Tea party, and smaller government. Tell him most “young people” who might vote Republican tend to have a libertarian bent. They don’t want higher taxes, socialized medicine, a debt-ridden society, increased federal spending (read no Euro-like nonsense).

      Ask him if he will:
      1) Vote to repeal Obamacare

      2) Freeze or slash federal spending

      Oh, and if he wants your money, tell him you don’t want the GOP bashing Palin or DeMint! I would love to see his expression on that one!! :)

      I found this on Redstate about Lugar .. its some background info ….. and I do remember, when Lugar came out for START, all the usual suspects were praising him. Remember, what Palin said about the media praising a Republican? Its time to re-assess your position.

      • phillycon4 says:

        For some reason, I was logged out. Have no idea why, but I’m back in with my avatar. no worries.

      • AFinch says:

        Oh, I know he’s a RINO and at the top of the RINO hunters’ list. I just didn’t think I would get very far by bursting into the room shouting RINO, RINO, RINO!! ;-)

        Seriously, though. Thanks for the info.

      • phillycon4 says:

        Of course, but they still need to hear the message in polite terms.

        That was my 2 cents ….

      • AFinch says:

        Philly–I didn’t articulate very well. Yes, I agree with you 100% and your talking points and suggestions for how to raise them were exactly what I was looking for. I tend to come at people full steam and have come to realize that is not always what is most effective. Thank you for taking the time to lay that stuff out.

      • phillycon4 says:

        No worries, AFinch. It’s all good on my end :)

    • JRD says:

      AFinch, I found this in the WSJ.

      Dick Lugar vs. the GOP
      The senior Republican’s contrarian streak may be a sign that he’s raring for the fight of his political life.

    • Bijou says:

      AFinch, I posted this further down, but in case you don’t see it, it bears reposting.

      From CFP (a VERY reliable conservative source, who tells it like it is) a manageable breakdown of The Dream (nightmare) Act.
      The author has broken it down into 10 main ‘talking points’.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      If I have some time, I’ll try and put together some links for you.
      That’s awesome, so glad you got asked to go.
      Agree …. shouting RINO RINO RINO probably isn’t the best course of action. ;)
      (As delicious as that may be)

  7. Pat P says:

    Was led to this link by a post on TheConnection:

    Apparently, there are mobile vans violating our 4th amendment rights roaming the streets.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      This has nothing to do with security, and everything to do with control.

      • Bijou says:

        Exactly, YTZ4Me. It’s always been about control and only that.
        Any thinking person can easily debunk the TSA/Uncle Sis/White Hut argument that these invasive tactics are being implemented to counter terrorism. That’s nonsense.
        If they were serious about it, as they claim, they would be doing things the Israeli way. i.e. profiling
        But, of course, that’s not PC, so feguddaboudit.

        Their hope is that after people are forced to submit to scans and/or highly invasive body searches enough times, it will become ‘normal’.

        Then it will be easier to introduce spot checks on trains, subway platforms, and anywhere else they please.
        What was once a reasonable expectation of privacy and the right to travel freely in one’s own country will become a thing of the past, under the convenient label of ‘National Security’.

      • AFinch says:

        I’m already amazed at what people are willing to suffer at the airport. I fly about once a week and every once in a while, I’ll look around at people in their socks and T-shirts, sans belts, unloading their laptops and toiletries into the little bins and marvel at how compliant we all are. Occasionally, I’ll comment to my fellow travelers that I almost think it is an experiment in social psychology designed to test how much we will take. Apparently, we draw the line at groping children. Good for us.

      • notamolly says:

        Exactly and it is about making sure that the thugs are “Untouchable.” Ironically I am starting to think we need an Elliott Ness to clean out the government.

      • sundancecracker says:

        Elliot Ness? Great point.

        Female version…. Gov Sarah Palin
        Male version….. Gov. Chris Christie

        The new “Untouchables”…… Coming swoon to a leftist screem near you.

  8. sundancecracker says:

    Gawker reprinted pages from Palins new book. Then provided a belittling commentary on Palin, the family, Palins stance on abortion, and Trig. Man these folks are beyond hateful…. But Palin fired back with a statement that their republishing pages was copyright infringement and illegal.

    In their snide, nasty, hateful way Gawker scolds Palin and tells her:
    [Sarah: If you’re reading this—and if you are, welcome!—you may want to take a moment to familiarize yourself with the law. Try starting here or here. Or skip the totally boring reading and call one of your lawyers. They’ll walk you through it.]

    Well Gawker…. careful what you ask for….. Mama Grizzly got teeth and justice on her side. Judge issues dessist and restraint order against Gawker (read below).

    “HarperCollins sued Gawker for copyright infringement after Gawker posted several pages from Sarah Palin’s as-yet unpublished book, America by Heart, on its website. [On Saturday], Judge Thomas Griesa of the U. S. District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a temporary restraining order prohibiting Gawker from posting pages of the book pending a hearing on HarperCollins’ motion for a preliminary injunction, to be held on November 30.”

    Read more:

    Way to go Sarah. !! Not only smacking down these leftist hatemongers with words, but kicking them in the financial groin simultaneously. (((( ROAR !!! ))))

  9. Jennifer H says:

    This whole TSA controversy is just surreal-
    in a very scary way. I am truly shocked at the abuse of power that this administration forces on it’s citizens. What is even more frightening is that most people are complying, shrugging off the invasive scanner and pat down procedure as the price to be paid for safe travel. Hannity talked about this all last week and his central premise is that Isreal has no such technology in place, nor does it employ such invasive procedures in it’s security- but has never had a successful terroist attack perpetrated on it’s air travel.
    They profile based on nationality, travel patterns, and other intelligence gathering strategies. Why can’t we do this before employing such invasive techniques?

    • Jennifer H says:

      I wonder how this will all play out…

    • sundancecracker says:

      Jennifer, It is beyond absurd at this point. It is now official the clowns have taken over control. I just cannot even begin to conceive of the stupidity and absurdity of this one. Please read.. It is so sad… it is actually funny.

      Cue up “monty python”…..

    • Jennifer H says:

      I know that not all airports are employing these “security” measures, any one know how to find out which are and which are not?

      • sundancecracker says:

        That’s a great question. I’ll bet there are a lot of people willing to drive a little further to an airport with less invasive approaches.

      • CAS says:

        We aim to please, Jennifer. Here’s an FAQ from the TSA . The list begins about halfway down the page:

      • CAS says:

        Oh, it’s a list of airports with scanners, not the ones with overly-aggressive agents (doubtful the TSA would rat themselves out on that ;-) ).

      • Jennifer H says:

        Oooo thank you !
        My husband thinks I am full of it when I try to talk to him about this because he flew from Houston to Philly and dd not have these procedures used in his security clearance.

        first sign of organized serious blowback here…

      • g8rmom7 says:

        I just saw something about the small airport near here (Sanford) was not participating in the extended security measures…and I heard some guy from an independent security company that works with OIA (Orlando) and even though I didn’t catch the whole intereview he talked about a private firm being more focused on customer service along with security, so that though they HAVE to take extended measures, they are trying to do it in a more fair and less intrusive way…not that I can explain what that means.

    • Pat P says:

      I heard a woman tell her story about TSA Friday morning on the radio. She was flying from Dallas to Norfolk, and had left her wallet in a bathroom in the Dallas airport. Of course, she was concerned how she would be able to get back to Dallas by air.

      Her husband sent her a photocopy of her passport picture, and approached TSA with her story. After a lot of questioning, probing etc, she was allowed to board the flight.

      Arriving in Dallas, she was dismayed to discovered that Lost & Found, who had her wallet, was ‘beyond the wall’ of the TSA. She had to go through everything she had just experience in Norfolk, and more. The TSA supervisor got another person on the telephone to ask for advice, then starting asking her questions being posed by the person on the phone. They asked her what car she drove, the license number, the names of her neighbors and other questions that made her realize the depth of information that our government has gathered about us, and how easy that information is to access by a middle level government bureaucrat

      • Debra says:

        It’s not even that just the government can do it – I could probably find that stuff out for people in our county – it would just take a few minutes on our county’s tax site and recorded documents site. I can also tell how much someone’s Deed of Trust was for, how many times they have refinanced, etc. I used to do this for my job (title company) so that’s how I know it’s all out there.

  10. Bijou says:

    Interesting article in today’s Canada Free Press, on Harry Reid’s ‘Dream Act’.
    It IS a dream for illegal aliens, and Libs like Reid who need their votes.
    This thing is a joke, literally lays out the welcome mat for criminals, gang members and other desirables.

    The writer has thoughtfully condensed it down to the ‘Top 10′ most salient points. e.g.
    #7. Once a Illegal Alien submits an application for the DREAM Act he will be given all the rights that legal immigrants receive, including The Right To Sponsor Their Parents and Extended Family Members for Immigration as well.

    The GOP had better put on their grown-up pants and fight this thing tooth and nail.

    • sundancecracker says:

      This is the type of article we should highlight on the thread. Great read Bijou. Love the bullet point (10 highlighted) approach, with fact based information to counter the left.

      Thanks for sharing.

  11. sundancecracker says:

    Sunday Video worth watching.

    If you are a person who enjoys watching diverse skillsets done with penultimate levels of excellence I think you’ll enjoy this video. I have followed this guy Danny MacAskill for a couple of years as he continues to refines his craft. The photographic scenery and cinamatography of this video are excellent and combine with his unbelievable ability.

    • Pat P says:

      Wow. I am just glad that he wears a helmet. Has he ever been injured?

    • Bijou says:

      Wow. Thanks for posting, Sundance!
      To tell you the truth, I almost didn’t click on it.
      The intertubes/YouTube are so flooded with crazy ‘kids’ on skateboards and bikes, etc. doing their best to end up in ‘traction’ that one becomes bored with some of this stuff.
      However, this guy is truly amazing.
      And (as a photographer) I agree that the cinematography is top drawer, as is the soundtrack. I can’t imagine how many hours of material they had to shoot to produce this, but it was well worth it.

      (The Isle of Skye looks breathtakingly beautiful.)

  12. NeeNee says:

    “If you Give a Dem a Cookie”, posted on Moonbattery,
    cribbed to post here! So true . . .

  13. CAS says:

    Hi everyone, here’s my contribution for today (hope it isn’t a duplicate):

    Have a good day, all!

  14. Pat P says:

    Someone fixed the time : D

  15. YTZ4Me says:

    I invited someone here who wasn’t a member of the HB community, but whom I believe has a lot to contribute. She’s a former Marine, and like me, had a visit from the SS in 2008. It inspired her to start a blog, “Freeze the Fascism” and the east Texas tea party. Her level of energy inspires me, so I hope she decides to join us!

    • Pat P says:

      I’m sure we can trust your judgement.

      ChrissyH sent an email to her ‘email blog list’ about your post yesterday. I answered her, and told her about the ‘post of the day’ at legalinsurrection, because I didn’t know whether or not she had seen it.

      Chrissy, are you breaking your promise and lurking here?

      • Pat P says:

        She just answered me – she saw the link to your post on Legal Insurrection, but didn’t know at first that it was you.

  16. AFinch says:

    ZurichMike’s here!! ZurichMike’s here!! Just made an appearance in the KD post above.

    • Bijou says:

      YAY! Thanks for letting us know, AFinch!
      I popped over to welcome him, as I see you did, too.
      Nearly all the little dogies have been rounded up. Fantastic.
      (AmEx was travelling, but I’m sure he’ll find us eventually, too.)

  17. AFinch says:

    WeeWeed is here!! WeeWeed is here!! He is in the Dujanvu thread from a few days ago!!

    • AFinch says:

      Sorry for spying on y’all. I’m fascinated with the dashboard function and cannot, for the life of me, figure out what all the grousin’ was about over at Keverly’s place. I feel like a Mother Hen making sure all of the chicks get home safely. I promise I will disengage a bit when I feel like everyone is settled.

      • WeeWeed says:

        I’ll try to sneak this site in to Jersey Gram and a few others….if you will allow me, but it sure might go away (another post from just 3 days ago did – someone mentioned another site with ex buzzers, I asked who and where, and got deleted. Later – I had already seen my question in the thread. ) I’m willin’ to go try, tho! I’m SO happy to see you guys!!

        • AliRose says:

          I saw that right before it got deleted. It was in response to my comment. I tried to reply, but then it all just disappeared. I think I was being accused of being here, too. I had no idea what they were talking about at the time.

          • sundancecracker says:

            Hey AliRose, we’ve missed ya. Come on over to the daily thread and say hi… The gangs been looking for ya.

            Great to see you made it here :)

            Welcome :D

    • sundancecracker says:

      Awesome… WeeWeed too !!! This is too delicious… splendiforous :)

      Welcome. Welcome. Welcome..

      Feel free to leave breadcrumbs back to this little treehouse anywhere that helps :)

  18. For betseyross–Can’t find your post about Chrissy’s jewelry, so I’m just posting this willy-nilly and hoping you see it. I sent your comments to her after I read them. Here is her response (you can probably communicate with her directly about this on her own site, if you have more you want to say):

    Thanks! That is so helpful! FTN shared your comment about jewelry with me via email. A couple of people have cautioned me not to put patriotic, tea party, palin, etc. jewelry in my store because it might offend people and cost me customers. I’ve been stewing on this all day and had just about decided that I don’t care. I WANT to do that kind of jewelry and if someone is put off by it and goes away, so be it. FTN didn’t know I was in this stew, so when she sent me your comment, it felt like God’s grace dotting the i and crossing the t on my decision. Thanks so much! CtH”

  19. phillycon4 says:


    A worthwhile post by Dan Riehl. He clearly defines what is at stake in America and how the “conservative” Establishment serves no useful purpose.

    YTZ: Guess what? In the comments section, someone linked your blog! How awesome, you are becoming our rock star.

    Ad rem: if you click over to Riehl’s Barbara Bush post, you will see our “friend” Sally Vee using her class warfare, upper crusty talking pts. against SP. The reason I bring this up, b/c in a HB thread onetime, Sally Vee came over and started defending Republicans like a freaking cheerleader … I remember how you called her out.

    She came over to HB and started with nasty attacks on SP about her “bra size.” I will never forget how malicious and condescending this particular troll was b/c I confronted her right away.

    I see she is everywhere on certain blogs; trolling about SP. Its kind of weird. AxExpat asked her to go back to Romney HQ, it was rather amusing.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Okay, that’s hilarious – thanks for the tip!

      On my Stewart-Colbert blog post, the lefties tagged it on Reddit as a “controversial read”.

      They really can’t handle the idea that most people out there don’t think their farts smell wonderful.

      At first glance, I thought you said it had been linked in the comments to a HB post, and I thought, oh, THAT will never happen… ;)

      • phillycon4 says:

        Sorry, for the confusion .. I meant it was linked in Dan Riehl’s comments section.

        OK-internet dunce here. What is reddit?

    • Ad rem says:


      Sally Vee is a regular commenter over at “The Strato-Sphere” aka rino central. (The guys got an emblem on his site proclaiming he’s a “Raging Rino” for chrissakes!) I used to comment over there ’til they went off the deep end defending Bush’s immigration policies, and screaming about conservatives trying to ‘purge’ moderates from the party. Sally Vee thinks GW walks on water, and would go nuts whenever she read someone calling him El Jorge Bush.

      Seeing her pop up spewing her crap at my favorite sites, like HB and Rhiel World View, is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. She’s a nasty piece of work, and deserves to be the hood ornament on somebody’s ’58 Edsel.

      I wonder how long before ‘barfo’ and ‘salvage’ show up here? ;-)

  20. YTZ4Me says:

    I’m not sure, but I think somehow you “suggest” reads and it goes into a news feed of some kind.

    • phillycon4 says:

      So, I’m assuming if its “controversial” then you would receive more clicks?

    • YTZ4Me says:

      I guess so.
      Not sure how this whole thing works. Apparently people are beginning to “Twitter” it and it got posted on Iowntheworld. I just popped over there to say “thanks” !!

      • Bijou says:

        Iowntheworld is an exceedingly cool site. They have some of the best creative talent around, both working for them and posting comments. I especially love their ‘Sad O’ series.
        That’s where I first found Sundance, just this past week, before everything else fell into place.

      • sundancecracker says:

        IOTW is comprised of a crew with similar objectives to our little crew here. BigFurHat is a hoot and a snarky snarl with a rag tag bunch of clever troublemakers… and a GROWING following. I’ll bet within a week that composition returns to you in an e-mail from someone you know… Cool Stuff.. :)

        I saw your Thank You post and gave ya a TU.!!

      • sundancecracker says:

        YTZ4Me, Go back to IOTW . You’ve got a message in the comments for you. :) from RightNetwork.Com

        RightNetwork, and TheBlaze follow IOTW closely.

  21. WeeWeed says:

    I post at Hot Air and Michelle Malkin, as well, but not as WeeWeed. I’ll try sticking this site in once a day when I can as well, ‘specially when I see one of “ours.”

    • phillycon4 says:


      You are registered at HotAir? Wow. It’s impossible to get in over there.

      • Maybe it’s because they’re so full of it already. “Hot air,” I mean.

      • JRD says:

        No it’s not. I post at Hot Air not as JRD though. I post as Jayrae. They are such eeoryes over there. I am always fighting with them.
        Allah makes me sick with his Romney this and Romney that. And he’s constantly bashing Sarah.

      • WeeWeed says:

        They have open registration periodically – when I see it I’ll come holler over here and let everyone know – there and just about everywhere else I’m thebookkeeper. Since Michelle Malkin sold it, it’s got a different group of folks, but I do check in every now and then. :)

      • Ad rem says:

        JRD’s right about the eeyores at Hot Air. I stopped commenting over there before the ’08 election. I couldn’t take Allah’s Palin bashing, and the constant “you know who this benefits” Romney allusions. Ed’s always pushing Pawlenty..bleh. Things have changed a lot since Malkin ran the place.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Yes, I don’t enjoy being over there as much as I used to. I used to comment a lot, but IMO, the site went downhill after the 2008 elections.

  22. Pat P says:

    Kevin just linked to YTZ’s (stopshouting) blog post. I don’t think he realizes who wrote it!

  23. ZurichMike says:

    Good evening, fun-seekers! Glad to be hear. I guess I have a lot of catching up to do. Apparently I missed the “recent unpleasantness” (as some ultra polite Southerners also refer to the Civil War!) regarding HillBuzz. Well, color me silly. That’s what I get for traveling a lot and missing thins, and being an overly trusting person.

    And I contacted AmExpat (Amsterdam Expat) and gave him this site’s Web address. Hope he shows up, too!

    Kind regards,


    • Pat P says:

      Thanks, ZurichMike. One by one, friends gather.

    • WeeWeed says:

      Some of us were raised to call it “The Woah of Northern Aggression!” Heh..

      • JRD says:

        WeeWeed,“The Woah of Northern Aggression!”, love it. Now that I reside in south Florida I guess I can get away with that. It just does’t sound the same when ya live 15 minutes outside of NYC!

      • Ad rem says:


        It sure is good to see you here….I’m gettin’ all wee-weed up just seein’ your funny gravatar again all over again!

    • JRD says:

      Hurray, thanks for contacting AmExpat.

    • Ad rem says:


      You’re here at last! Looking at that idyllic scene in your gravatar, what would you know of ‘unpleasantness’? Anyone who has the excellent taste to appreciate the ‘Palast Orchester’ is a friend to appreciate, as far as I’m concerned. Thanks for getting in touch with AmExpat…and was surprised to find out he was a “HE”. ( I am a “she” just in case the world wants to know.)

    • Jennifer H says:

      Yay ! Glad you are here ZurichMike! Perchance do you know how to contact Captain Caveman as well?
      We refugees would love to see him as well :)

  24. ZurichMike says:

    Man, I need to re-read my posts before hitting the “post” button. Sorry for the obvious typos.

    • phillycon4 says:


      So, so glad you found us. Please tell Am I have been asking about him in every open thread!

    • yomotley says:

      We accept typos here. Outright bad grammar, someone may not be able to contain themselves and correct. But typos are expected and since we all are bright here and know when it is a typo, a self-editing comment is not necessary….unless, that is, you can’t live with yourself for the misplaced keystroke.

      So glad you are here.

    • Ad rem says:

      Ain’t no typos here.

  25. yomotley says:

    ZurickMike and WeeWeed!!!!!!!!! Are you really here?????? Yippee!!!!

  26. yomotley says:

    Here is my SHOUT OUT to PatP/Stellap:


    Each time someone else shows up and gets crossed off the most wanted list, I find myself saying, “Thank you, PatP!”

  27. Menagerie says:

    In my part of the South that would be “The Waahh of Nathahn Ahhgreshaan”. And , yup, that’s how It sounds when I say it.

  28. Bijou says:

    Oy…thebigotbasher has a story up about the supposed upcoming Magical Mystical Keverley Tour. He almost sounds as if somebody’s making the whole thing up!?
    I popped over to Keverleyland to check it out, and it’s there all right.
    The item had one ‘Like’. Guess who. KD, himself! LOL!

    • YTZ4Me says:

      I’m not going to click on the link, since he (TBB) was in part the genesis of my now-famous rant. He embodies the very snotty, I’m-so-smart, you’re-so-stoopid neurosis of the left that I just refuse to deal with anymore.

      It’s seems his entire existence is wrapped up in what K is/isn’t doing.
      Pathetic. He needs a life.


    • Bijou says:

      Oh, my goodness. I confess I know absolutely nothing about TBB.
      Was just innocently scroogling around to see if there’s any new ‘word on the street’ about what went down, and his link popped up.
      Ick. Now I know better. Thanks, guys.

  29. AFinch says:

    Just posted the following to HB re YATZ’s article. Any bets on whether it will post?


    That article is great. Why did you ban the author, whom you might recognize as YTZ4Me, from your site?”

    • sundancecracker says:

      Oh my….. a most delicious development :)

    • Bijou says:

      AFinch, way to go!!!!
      He’s going to be mighty jealous! Hehehehehe.

    • emmajeri1010 says:

      I saw that!! (the article, I mean, at HB)…..that’s just weird! I do think that the intensity with which KD whirls through his daily life truly is draining, both emotionally and mentally, and he’s fighting a lot of holding actions in a lot of corners. I would guess he absolutely has not connected the dots. It will be interesting to see what happens when and if he does.

  30. phillycon4 says:

    I had to check it out for myself and found that TN Wahm posted her website.

  31. Ting says:

    I have just finished reading YTZ4Me’s article for the 3rd time. I love it!

    What does YTZ mean, by the way? Anybody know?

    As for me, Ting, I was just feeling sort of Ting Tang Walla Walla Bing Bang silly when I made my sign in name the other day.

  32. sundancecracker says:

    Hey YTZ4Me…. Big News.!!! The Right Network is trying to contact you. They want permission to re-publish your post… THIS IS HUGE. !!! I copied a message from their Admin here for you. (See Below)
    I can’t seem to comment on that post over at blogger.

    If anyone here can, would they please do so and leave the following message:


    I’d like to republish a version of your rebuttal at

    Please send me an email to

    if you wish to discuss this.

    Thank you.

    • YTZ4Me says:

      Oh, my.

      What’s next … an Instalanche?
      Maybe we’ll get lucky and Rush will read it his show.
      Fix Bayonets!

      • JRD says:

        I e-mailed it to Rush last evening. I am a 24/7 member. Hey, I know superstar when I see it. I also sent it to Glen Beck. You are the bomb YTZ4Me. I hope you aren’t mad at me but even Our Lord said don’t hide your light under a bushel basket. You have been blessed with a gift.

      • Ad rem says:

        Sssssh…..I think I hear Keverly quietly sobbing.

  33. Bijou says:

    Sundance, great minds think alike.
    I just headed back here to do exactly that.
    YTZ4Me, you’re going viral, girl!!! To say you ‘touched a nerve’ is putting it mildly.

    Everybody, you should all head on over to iowntheworld and just read the comments.
    Our girl’s a ROCK STAR!

  34. g8rmom7 says:

    Sorry, I am so late to responding to this. I’ve been very busy this weekend cleaning (and I’m sick too taking that much longer), but I finally got around to finishing the blog post by YTZ4Me…awesome. I especially loved this

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